Diamondbacks Bullpen Forum Index Diamondbacks Bullpen
The baseball forum that doesn't suck
 
 Home       News Feed 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
France criminalizes being muslim

 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Diamondbacks Bullpen Forum Index -> Anything Goes
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
matt
Face of the Franchise


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 7391

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: France criminalizes being muslim Reply with quote

1070 on steroids

Quote:
The bill would make it illegal to wear garments such as the niqab or burka, which incorporate a full-face veil, anywhere in public.

It envisages fines of 150 euros (£119) for women who break the law and 30,000 euros and a one-year jail term for men who force their wives to wear the burka.

The niqab and burka are widely seen in France as threats to women's rights and the secular nature of the state.

"Democracy thrives when it is open-faced," Ms Alliot-Marie told the National Assembly when she presented the bill last week.

She stressed the bill, which makes no reference to Islam or veils, was not aimed at "stigmatising or singling out a religion".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10611398.stm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
xjwheelr
Veteran Presence


Joined: 11 Sep 2006
Posts: 1181

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.

So...private citizens exercising their religious ideals are a threat to the "secular nature" of the state? Awesome, France.

This is actually where I've felt our country has been headed for the past couple decades: freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion.
_________________
"Mr. President...while I am impressed with your Renaissance Man-level of knowledge in a plethora of subjects, may I humbly say: That’s great. Just fix the economy!”
- Jon Stewart
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
B. O. N. D.
Face of the Franchise


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 8062
Location: San Francisco

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here come the 'Freedom Fries'. Laughing
_________________
Thank you, God, for Gibby.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
matt
Face of the Franchise


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 7391

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't really see it as an attack on the secular nature of France. I saw it as yet another case of bigotry against Muslim people.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tucsondbacksfan
Everyday Player


Joined: 16 May 2007
Posts: 765

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow- isn't there a large population of Muslims already in France? This could get ugly. I wonder if they will stop at Muslims or will the "secular" rule continue with other religions and their expressions?
_________________
"There is NO crying in baseball"
Tom Hanks- "A League of Their Own"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Oden
Hall of Famer


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 3622
Location: Gilbert, AZ

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more things change the more they stay the same. The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.
_________________
He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
EvilJuan
Number Retired


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 13940
Location: The carpark outside Milliways

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oden wrote:
The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.


That would represent significant progress over the current practices of issuing fatwas and suicide bombers.
_________________
New Regime: SOS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AZ SnakePit
Everyday Player


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 974
Location: Bloody Basin Road, AZ

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilJuan wrote:
Oden wrote:
The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.


That would represent significant progress over the current practices of issuing fatwas and suicide bombers.

And treating women like chattel, or stoning them to death for adultery. The burka has no place in a society where the sexes are equal. Freedom of religious expression does not mean the freedom to oppress others.
_________________
Jim McLennan
AZ SnakePit
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
YBC-Dog
Veteran Presence


Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1884
Location: Phoenix

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about we compromise.

They can wear their burkas and anything they want, if I can make fun of their religion and draw pictures of their prophet without being threatened with death for doing so.

Freedom of expression is a two way street.
_________________
You're doing a heck of a job, Kenny!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
matt
Face of the Franchise


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 7391

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZ SnakePit wrote:
EvilJuan wrote:
Oden wrote:
The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.


That would represent significant progress over the current practices of issuing fatwas and suicide bombers.

And treating women like chattel, or stoning them to death for adultery. The burka has no place in a society where the sexes are equal. Freedom of religious expression does not mean the freedom to oppress others.


So you are saying that there is no possible way any woman would choose to cover herself? If the woman doesn't like it than she needs to do some serious soul searching and decide if she wants to be in that relationship.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
levski
Number Retired


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 17727

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilJuan wrote:
Oden wrote:
The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.


That would represent significant progress over the current practices of issuing fatwas and suicide bombers.


Yeah, let's start the "my #### religion is better than your #### religion" debates...

Plus, not all fatwas are bad...

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/fatwa-decrees-vuvuzelas-over-100-decibels-to--fbintl_goal-fatwadecreesvuvuzelasoverde.html
_________________
"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first call promising." Cyril Connolly, 'Enemies of Promise'
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
levski
Number Retired


Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 17727

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZ SnakePit wrote:
EvilJuan wrote:
Oden wrote:
The Muslims just need to get on the Christian bandwagon and start throwing money at political parties.


That would represent significant progress over the current practices of issuing fatwas and suicide bombers.

And treating women like chattel, or stoning them to death for adultery. The burka has no place in a society where the sexes are equal. Freedom of religious expression does not mean the freedom to oppress others.


Muslims abuse women. Catholics abuse children.

Sounds like Christianity has really progressed over the years...
_________________
"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first call promising." Cyril Connolly, 'Enemies of Promise'
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Diamondbacks Bullpen Forum Index -> Anything Goes All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



visitors since April 13, 2006.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group