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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Mexican drug cartels now control parts of Arizona Reply with quote

Pinal County Sheriff: Mexican drug cartels now control parts of Arizona

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CASA GRANDE, AZ - Two men shot earlier this week could be the result of the ongoing battle between Mexican drug cartels now spilling over deep into Arizona, officials say.

Pinal County investigators say an area known as the smuggling corridor now stretches from Mexico's border to metro Phoenix.

The area , once an area for family hiking and off road vehicles has government signs warning residents of the drug and human smugglers.

Night vision cameras have photographed military armed cartel members delivering drugs to vehicles along Highway 8.

"We are three counties deep. How is it that you see pictures like these, not American with semi and fully automatic rifles. How is that okay?" asked Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Mexican drug cartels seize U.S. land in Pinal County, AZ Reply with quote

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Mexican drug cartels seize U.S. land in Pinal County, Arizona

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A report from Pinal County in Arizona states that parts of their wilderness areas, roads, lakes etc. are no longer controlled by American authorities. That area has been taken over by Mexican drug smugglers armed with high powered weapons.

This isn’t on the border mind you; Pinal County is 80 miles inland into the heart of the state.

For those of you who do not live in Arizona, Pinal county is three counties deep passed the Mexican border. In other words armed foreign nationals have taken over a portion of American sovereign territory.

Sheriff Paul Babeu says “that is unacceptable. We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this."

The Sheriff is asking for the federal government to help clear out the problem. But, Obama probably backed by Holder and Napolitano so far has done nothing.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the photo, TAP!

I was looking for a big and clear photo of a posted BLM sign, which is sadly and most likely the extent of any federal involvement...

Is anybody else out there bothered that an American president will not protect this country even when a portion of its land has been seized in an armed operation by foreign nationals? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - THIS sounds like a bigger problem than all the fuss about the other thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well - THIS sounds like a bigger problem than all the fuss about the other thing.


I think it is pretty clear that rogue cleaning ladies and landscapers are responsible here. Good thing we passed SB1070 to really go after them and waste all of our money sticking it to them.

I thought the whole point of SB 1070 was doing what the Federal government won't do?

Isn't that the talking point? Arizona taking action because bigots won't include amnesty in a federal immigration bill (okay that's my synopsis of the situation).

So what's the problem? SB 1070 and white supremacists roaming the border will save the day!

Arizona! Fuck yeah!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am up for vigilante justice. Just saying
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is anybody else out there bothered that an American president will not protect this country even when a portion of its land has been seized in an armed operation by foreign nationals? Confused


Yes, it's very sad/frightening/infuriating.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jimbo4net wrote:
Is anybody else out there bothered that an American president will not protect this country even when a portion of its land has been seized in an armed operation by foreign nationals? Confused


Yes, it's very sad/frightening/infuriating.


he is to busy putting his NCAA bracket together Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying there isn't a serious problem that isn't being taken care of but it is interesting how the Right has tried to pass this story off as a new event. The closed area has been closed since 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/201006170032
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt, you're going to confuse people with facts--it totally gets in the way of their partison rage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
I'm not saying there isn't a serious problem that isn't being taken care of but it is interesting how the Right has tried to pass this story off as a new event. The closed area has been closed since 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/201006170032

The closed area referenced in the article regarding the construction of a 12-foot fence vs. the BLM signs warning hikers and travelers that a large portion of Southern Arizona is unsafe for Americans because of drug and human smugglers appear to be two completely separate issues; apples and oranges.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt, I'm well aware of the 2006 closed land strip story along the border.
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This isn’t on the border mind you; Pinal County is 80 miles inland into the heart of the state.

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Two men shot earlier this week could be the result of the ongoing battle between Mexican drug cartels now spilling over deep into Arizona, officials say.


My concern, as pointed out by the Pinal County Sheriff, is that an entire corridor has been taken over by Mexican drug smugglers armed with high powered weapons.
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“That is unacceptable. We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this."


I find it appalling that these drug cartels can enter at will with no concern to life and public safety.
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“We need at least 3,000 troops, just in Arizona” the Sheriff went on.


When and where will it end? Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, from Media Matters

Obama administration has taken measures to increase border security, immigration enforcement

LA Times: Obama admin. "has outdone its predecessor on border enforcement spending and on deportations." The Los Angeles Times reported on June 16 that Obama "agree[d] to dispatch 1,200 National Guard troops to the border and to seek an extra $500 million for border enforcement. That came after 18 months in which the Obama administration has outdone its predecessor on border enforcement spending and deportations of illegal immigrants, all in an effort to build support for a comprehensive immigration plan."

Obama admin. has increased the number of Border Patrol agents. PolitiFact has noted that Obama has been "increasing the number of border patrol officers." The Arizona Republic reported on May 26 that "[t]he Border Patrol today has more than 20,000 agents nationwide, more than 16,000 of whom are assigned to the U.S.-Mexican border" and provided the following graph:

Obama admin. significantly expanded Border Enforcement Security Task Forces. Politico reported on May 6 that "[u]nder the Southwest Border Initiative, the Obama administration has doubled agents assigned to the Border Enforcement Security Task Forces." According to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE), these teams "incorporate personnel from U.S. Customs and Border Protection and other key federal, state, local and foreign law enforcement agencies" to "collaborate and share information to fulfill the overarching goal: to interrupt the flow of cash, weapons and ammunition that fuel the illicit trade of the drug cartels."

Obama admin. increased number of intelligence analysts on border. Politico stated that the Obama administration "tripled the number of intelligence analysts along the southwest border" and "sent in new canine teams." The Department of Homeland Security announced these increases in March 2009.

Obama admin. began screening "100 percent of southbound rail shipments." Testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on April 27, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano stated that "for the first time ever, the Border Patrol is screening 100 percent of southbound rail shipments for cartel-related contraband. This practice augments the longstanding practice of screening 100 percent of northbound rail shipments."

Recovery Act included funding for Border Security projects. According to DHS, the Recovery Act provided funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Seizures of contraband increased under Obama administration. In her April 27 Senate testimony, Napolitano stated:

Since March 2009, CBP and ICE have seized $85.7 million in illicit cash along the Southwest border, an increase of 14 percent over the same period during the previous year. This includes more than $29.7 million in illicit cash seized heading southbound into Mexico -- a 39 percent increase over the same period during the previous year.

During the same period, CPB and ICE together seized 1,425 illegal firearms, which represent a 29 percent rise over the same period in the previous year. At the same time, CBP and ICE seized 1.65 million kilograms of drugs along the Southwest border, an overall increase of 15 percent.

Additionally, the San Diego DHS Maritime Unified Command -- comprised of U.S. Coast Guard, CBP, ICE and other law enforcement partners -- saw a more than six-fold increase in maritime drug interdictions in the Pacific waters extending from the Southwest border. The Command seized more than 26,000 kilograms of drugs in fiscal year 2009, compared to 4,029 kilograms seized in fiscal year 2008.

Deportations increased in fiscal year 2009. According to DHS, "The number of illegal aliens removed from the United States by ICE in FY 2009 was 298,401 individuals, up from 264,541 in FY 2008." Including "voluntary departures," ICE "removed 387,790 in illegal immigrants in the year ending Sept. 30, 2009, compared with 369,221 in 2008 -- a 5 percent increase," according to The Washington Post. The Post also reported that in fiscal year 2009, there was "a 19 percent rise in deportation of criminal immigrants." From DHS:

PolitiFact: "[S]pending on border security has increased" since 2007. Responding to a statement by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), PolitiFact.com wrote on May 5 that "between 2007 and now, while spending on border fencing has gone down, overall spending on border security has increased" and added:

In 2007, discretionary spending on border security was $6.3 billion. As Pence noted, that was the last year of full Republican control. After that, while George W. Bush remained in the presidency, Congress was controlled by Democrats. But discretionary spending on border security continued to rise year after year. It went to $7.9 billion in 2008; to $9.8 billion in 2009; and to $10.1 billion in fiscal year 2010. President Barack Obama's proposed 2011 budget calls for a slight decrease in discretionary spending on border security, but even at the proposed level of $9.8 billion, that's a 55 percent increase between 2007 and 2011.

Pima County sheriff: "The border has never been more secure." The Arizona Republic reported on May 2 that Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff of Pima County, Arizona, stated: "I hear politicians on TV saying the border has gotten worse. Well, the fact of the matter is that the border has never been more secure."
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP, the image you are linking to is directly from the Fox News interview with Babeu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPrl4P9AcrQ#t=1m15s

jimbo4net,

Babeu (the subject of the Fox News story) is the one making the claims. "Taken over" isn't the least bit dramatic, I'm sure the cartels have armed checkpoints throughout the entire region. The State Capitol is days from falling.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TAP, the image you are linking to is directly from the Fox News interview with Babeu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPrl4P9AcrQ#t=1m15s

jimbo4net,

Babeu (the subject of the Fox News story) is the one making the claims. "Taken over" isn't the least bit dramatic, I'm sure the cartels have armed checkpoints throughout the entire region. The State Capitol is days from falling.

Matt, they may have included the pic, but the sign isn't related to the area that was closed.

Of course we're not watching the state capitol fall next week, but the fact that we can no longer safely hike or travel in a large portion of what once was regularly used hiking trails in Southern Arizona should be a wake-up call to address the problem with sufficient resources.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course we're not watching the state capitol fall next week, but the fact that we can no longer safely hike or travel in a large portion of what once was regularly used hiking trails in Southern Arizona should be a wake-up call to address the problem with sufficient resources.


Exactly, I not running out of my home yelling that the sky is falling. It's a concern that needs to be addressed, that's all...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills Reply with quote

Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona

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Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News.

The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time.
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“To say that this area is out of control is an understatement," said an agent who patrols the area and asked not to be named. "We (federal border agents), as well as the Pima County Sheriff Office and the Bureau of Land Management, can attest to that.”


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In these areas, which are south and west of Tucson, sources said there are “cartel scouts galore” watching the movements of federal, state and local law enforcement, from the border all the way up to Interstate 8.

“Every night we’re getting beaten like a pinata at a birthday party by drug, alien smugglers," a second federal agent told Fox News by e-mail. "The danger is out there, with all the weapons being found coming northbound…. someone needs to know about this!”

The agents blame part of their plight on new policies from Washington, claiming it has put a majority of the U.S. agents on the border itself. One agent compared it to a short-yardage defense in football, explaining that once the smugglers and drug-runners break through the front line, they're home free.

“We are unable to work any traffic, because they have us forward deployed," the agent said. "We are unable to work the traffic coming out of the mountains. That traffic usually carries weapons and dope, too, again always using stolen vehicles.”


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Without placing direct fault on anyone, multiple agents told Fox that the situation is more dangerous for them than ever now that the cartels have such a strong position on the American side of the border.

They say morale is down among many who patrol the desolate area, and they worry that the situation won't change until an agent gets killed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10,000 marines would fix this problem in a week (maybe two Very Happy )

I guess the National Guard is more appropriate here. Either way, I truly don't understand what we are waiting for. We send our soldiers to die for the cause of overthrowing an entire regime in another country, but we balk at defending our own borders. Something doesn't add up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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10,000 marines would fix this problem in a week (maybe two Very Happy )

I guess the National Guard is more appropriate here. Either way, I truly don't understand what we are waiting for. We send our soldiers to die for the cause of overthrowing an entire regime in another country, but we balk at defending our own borders. Something doesn't add up.


Republicans want their cheap labor but yet still use scare tactics and tough talk to win votes. Hell if they passed McCains reform from a few years back most Republicans heads would explode McCains included.

Dems want their bleading heart causes and love playing games.

While both sides dick around people are dying in my desert.

Im guessing its all about the $$ and votes. It has little to do with getting something done.

I still like Edward Abbeys border idea the best.

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Now I must remember my rule not to talk politics. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still like Edward Abbeys border idea the best.

Wink


OK, I'll bite: What was Abbey's idea?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still like Edward Abbeys border idea the best.

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OK, I'll bite: What was Abbey's idea?


I posted it a while back. Lets see if I can find it. I think he wrote it like 5 years ago too.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2005/12/edward-abbey-immigration-and-liberal.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly a unique insight.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills Reply with quote

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Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona

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Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News.

The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time.
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“To say that this area is out of control is an understatement," said an agent who patrols the area and asked not to be named. "We (federal border agents), as well as the Pima County Sheriff Office and the Bureau of Land Management, can attest to that.”


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In these areas, which are south and west of Tucson, sources said there are “cartel scouts galore” watching the movements of federal, state and local law enforcement, from the border all the way up to Interstate 8.

“Every night we’re getting beaten like a pinata at a birthday party by drug, alien smugglers," a second federal agent told Fox News by e-mail. "The danger is out there, with all the weapons being found coming northbound…. someone needs to know about this!”

The agents blame part of their plight on new policies from Washington, claiming it has put a majority of the U.S. agents on the border itself. One agent compared it to a short-yardage defense in football, explaining that once the smugglers and drug-runners break through the front line, they're home free.

“We are unable to work any traffic, because they have us forward deployed," the agent said. "We are unable to work the traffic coming out of the mountains. That traffic usually carries weapons and dope, too, again always using stolen vehicles.”


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Without placing direct fault on anyone, multiple agents told Fox that the situation is more dangerous for them than ever now that the cartels have such a strong position on the American side of the border.

They say morale is down among many who patrol the desolate area, and they worry that the situation won't change until an agent gets killed.

Sounds like good candidates for USAF bombing target practice
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