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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/gulf-oil-leak-stemmed----for-now.html

Looks like it worked - for now anyway... which is much better than it not working.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Bergin and Ed Stoddard / Reuters.com tonight wrote:
NEW ORLEANS/VENICE, La., May 29 (Reuters) - The worst oil spill in U.S. history hits its 40th day on Saturday with Gulf residents clinging to one tenuous hope: that BP's complicated "top kill" operation will plug the gushing well.

Beleaguered Louisiana residents heard from President Barack Obama and BP CEO Tony Hayward on separate visits to the Gulf coast on Friday as they tried to get a handle on a crisis damaging the credibility of both the government and BP.

Obama, facing criticism that he responded too slowly to the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico, assured Louisianians during his five-hour visit that they "will not be left behind" and that the "buck stops" with him.

Hayward, on a visit to the site of the April 20 rig explosion that killed 11 workers and unleashed the oil, said the energy giant needed up to two more days to determine if the top kill will stop the underwater gusher once and for all.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gulf will never be the same.

CNN.com tonight wrote:
Robert, Louisiana (CNN) -- Three attempts to pump mud and 16 tries to stuff solid material into a breached Gulf of Mexico oil well failed to stop the flow, top BP executives said Saturday, and engineers and executives with the oil giant have decided to "move on to the next option."

That option: Place a custom-built cap to fit over the "lower marine riser package," BP chief operation officer Doug Suttles said. BP crews were already at work Saturday to ready the materials for that option, he said.

Suttles said three separate pumping efforts and 30,000 barrels of mud -- along with what chief executive officer Tony Hayward described as "16 different bridging material shots" -- just didn't do the trick.

"We have not been able to stop the flow," a somber Suttles told reporters. " ... Repeated pumping, we don't believe, will achieve success, so we will move on to the next option."

Suttles and other officials said that the "top kill" attempt to stop the flow did so -- but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape. And Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said that BP would resume using undersea dispersants for the new attempt to trap the oil.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package cap "should be able to capture most of the oil" that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a "tight mechanical seal."
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The huffy post slipping in a "mendacity" reference.

Harry Shearer / The Huffington Post this week wrote:
Why This is Obama's Katrina Moment -- Literally

It's all there in the HuffPost archives, posts about the Corps of Engineers choosing what they admit is a "technically (not) superior) solution for the permanent rebuild of the canals whose floodwalls failed catastrophically during Katrina, about the Corps whistleblower's vindicated allegations about the shortcomings of the pumps at those canals, about the White House's silence on those issues during the past year. Commenters favorable to the Obama administration were virtually unanimous in their defense: he's got a full plate, give him time.

Well, this just in: the President's plate doesn't get any less full the longer the administration proceeds. And today, with a slo-mo environmental catastrophe in the Gulf, and a slo-mo federal response threatening to leave this administration looking as pathetic as oil-soaked pelicans, one thing is clear: a full-throated, thoughtful, energetic response to the remaining problems dogging the rebuilding of the "hurricane risk reduction system" in New Orleans might have given the Obama Administration the aura of caring about the area. Which, in turn, might have inoculated it against the charges from opponents that this is Obama's Katrina moment. Having let last year's opportunity slip by, having been beguiled by the wilful blindness of its automatic-pilot supporters, the administration stands un-inoculated politically against the impression that it's impotent in the face of BP's cupidity, laxity, and mendacity.

How's that plate looking now?


2 minutes and 16 seconds worth hearing
0:30 to 1:20 and 2:02 to 2:16 are particularly interesting.

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30rich.html?hp

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The Obama administration has been engaged with the oil spill from the start ó however haltingly and inarticulately at times. It was way too trusting of BP but was never AWOL. For all the second-guessing, itís still not clear what else the president might have done to make a definitive, as opposed to cosmetic, difference in plugging the hole: yell louder at BP, send in troops and tankers, or, as James Carville would have it, assume the role of Big Daddy? The spill is not a Tennessee Williams play, its setting notwithstanding, and itís hard to see what more drama would add, particularly since No Drama Obamaís considerable talents do not include credible play-acting.

But life isnít fair, and this president is in a far tougher spot in 2010 than his predecessor was in 2005.

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:


2 minutes and 16 seconds worth hearing
0:30 to 1:20 and 2:02 to 2:16 are particularly interesting.

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Well, first i agree with your overall idea that politicians will say anythign to get themselves elected.

But i dont see anythign there in that speech that is particullarly damning.

GWB got panned for his response to catrina - more specifically the lack of providing organized help AFTER the hurricane it.

Saying that Obama and his Admin are responsible for the Oil spill itself is like saying that bush was responsible for the hurricane itself.

Obama HAS been involved from the start. And i agree with the op-ed posted above - that i dont exacly understand what he was supposed to do upon the news of the spill. Yell louder? Unless the US Gov has spill plugging experts hidden somewhere - we are kind of at the mercy of the "experts" in teh field - no?

MY judgement of Obama will come after the disaster. Will we learn any lessons? Will there be increased regulations, etc, etc (somethign the right will fight - right?). Will we MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, forget the fucking oil fad and move on to alternative energy as he promised. (THIS IS WHAT I AM MOST UPSET ABOUT - he promised focus on alternative energy - and we get more offshore drilling).
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree quidjy.

My biggest complaint about Obama through this mess is that he has failed to use this to shove down the throats of the "Drill baby, drillers" to curb or end offshore drilling once and for all.

The moratorium was a good start, but he needs to go further because as much as everyone is upset about this now, this will be forgotten in a couple months to everyone except the people in the gulf who have had their lives destroyed, much like Katrina, and then it will be too late.

There will be an "oil spill fatigue" similar to the "Katrina fatigue" in the media, and they will move on to whatever celebrity just died or whatever soundbyte someone in Washington said and then it will be too late.

Anyone who thinks there is some imaginary solution Obama can whip up has seen too many Bruce Willis movies.

The Govt doesn't have some crack team of drilling experts waiting in the wings they can pull out to save the day, because the Govt is not an oil company. BP has that team because they are an oil company.

And does anyone think that if Obama just took control that BP would pay another cent? He would need congress to pass anything to hold them accountable and they are so disfunctional that they can't even come to a concensus to something as simple as Financial Reform.

But they are going to hold BP accountable and still make them foot the bill with all the oil money in Washington?

The real problem here is one that we have talked about for over 30 years, our addiction to oil.

How much more of our oceans will we kill before we face that problem?
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In matters of national security I'm conservative and on environmental issues I'm more liberal. I agree that our addiction to oil is the biggest problem; it's both a national security and an environmental threat.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of these solutions sound so fricken easy. Why cant we get this done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-cw3LjbUc&feature=related
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBC-Dog wrote:
There will be an "oil spill fatigue" similar to the "Katrina fatigue" in the media, and they will move on to whatever celebrity just died or whatever soundbyte someone in Washington said and then it will be too late.


Katrina damage? All fixed up. Haiti? Those people are fine, right?

[/head in sand sarcasm]

Totally agree. If an environmental disaster destroyed my hometown and I had to live with the results every day I'd be out of my mind. Imagine what those folks are going through.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBC-Dog wrote:
Anyone who thinks there is some imaginary solution Obama can whip up has seen too many Bruce Willis movies.


Cue James Cameron:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/01/james-cameron-gulf-oil-spill_n_596543.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/a-series-of-lapses-preceded-oil-gusher/

Several good articles at the nyt on the oil spill...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP thinks they are capturing 10,000 barrels per day

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/bp_claims_its_capturing_about.html?ft=1&f=103943429&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats great Matt...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qudjy1 wrote:
Thats great Matt...

in BP's own words... good stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be an awesome prop for some lawyer to use against them in closing argument in one of the many lawsuits they will end up defending (and deservedly so).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the people in the Gulf are quickly losing my sympathy as I read today how they are demanding that Obama stop the moratorium on offshore drilling, to me, one of the good proactive things he has done through this disaster.

The people in the gulf need to make a decision about what is more important.

Oil and gas?

Or fishing and tourism?

Because basic risk assessment after this disaster should tell them that both are not possible with 100% certainty. No matter how much the Govt regulates, there is a risk of an oil spill if you are drilling offshore, especially miles underwater, so instead of blaming Obama for the destruction of the fishing and tourism industry there, how about looking in the mirror?

Seems like a case of these people wanting their cake and eating it too.

"We want to protect the sacred fishing/shrimping/tourism industries in the gulf, but we also want billions of dollars of oil money to roll in."

You guys just found out the hard way you can't have it both ways.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBC-Dog wrote:
Well, the people in the Gulf are quickly losing my sympathy as I read today how they are demanding that Obama stop the moratorium on offshore drilling, to me, one of the good proactive things he has done through this disaster.

The people in the gulf need to make a decision about what is more important.

Oil and gas?

Or fishing and tourism?

Because basic risk assessment after this disaster should tell them that both are not possible with 100% certainty. No matter how much the Govt regulates, there is a risk of an oil spill if you are drilling offshore, especially miles underwater, so instead of blaming Obama for the destruction of the fishing and tourism industry there, how about looking in the mirror?

Seems like a case of these people wanting their cake and eating it too.

"We want to protect the sacred fishing/shrimping/tourism industries in the gulf, but we also want billions of dollars of oil money to roll in."

You guys just found out the hard way you can't have it both ways.


At minimum - they should require the reserve well. Although more expensive - it should be worth it to the gulf.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt617zYAbng&feature=youtu.be

The Oil spill reenacted by cats.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP Spills Coffee

Pretty funny.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good News!!!! They finally got the oil leak in the Gulf fixed. BP engineers lowered a large diamond wedding ring over the well head and it almost instantly stopped putting out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good one
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Hayward goes before Congress and one of the first thing he gets is an...apology?

Thanks, GOP Rep. Joe Barton, for looking out for your constituents.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38665.html
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