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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Can we end the stupid offshore drilling fad forever? Reply with quote

Spill baby, Spill!

U.S.: Oil spill of ‘national significance

I am sure that Virginia and the Carolinas and Florida and California just can't wait to get their wells up and running after seeing how well it is working out in the Gulf of Mexico.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree. This is awful.

And, yes, im a hypocrite with my non hybrid car that averages 26 MPG.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

26 MPG cars aren't the problem. Improving efficiency of diesels, SUV's and trucks would be far more productive.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spill baby Spill, it's Obama's next Katrina!

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004300043
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I thought oil companies assured us underwater drilling was super safe!
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.reuters.com/assets/print?aid=USN0121519420100502

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"Let me be clear: BP is responsible for this leak. BP will be paying the bill," said Obama as he visited the area and pledged a "fully coordinated, relentless relief effort" in the region where the coastlines of four Gulf states are being menaced.

The swelling black tide threatens wildlife, beaches and one of the nation's most fertile fishing grounds stretching across the Mississippi Delta from Louisiana to Florida.

"We a dealing with a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster," Obama said.

The president toured wetlands in Louisiana at risk from the oil spill, and flew over the coastal areas containing fisheries that could be most affected by the slick.

Desperate efforts above and below the ocean surface -- using boats, planes and even an underwater robotic vehicle -- to check the oil flow and disperse and contain the spreading slick were being hampered by high winds and rough seas.

The government suspended fishing on Sunday across a wide swath of its Gulf of Mexico waters, on worries about contamination of seafood.

"This is a terrible day. People can still fish west (of the Mississippi river) but if the oil keeps flowing the whole coast could be closed down," Roger Halphen, whose whole family is involved in commercial fishing, told Reuters in Venice.

A team of government agencies is working on relief, but Obama and his deputies made it clear BP would be on the hook for what could be billions of dollars in cleanup costs.

"BOOT ON THE NECK" OF BP

"Our job basically is to keep the boot on the neck of British Petroleum," Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said on CNN's "State of the Union" program on Sunday.

The final bill for cleaning up the spill could be $7 billion, said Neil McMahon, analyst at investment firm Bernstein in London. Analysts at Morgan Stanley put the figure at $3.5 billion.


http://www.bp.com/extendedgenericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7059471

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The company announced that underlying replacement cost profit for the fourth quarter of 2009, before non-operating items and fair value accounting effects, was $4.4 billion – an increase of 70 per cent on the same period in 2008. Full year replacement cost profit for 2009 was $14 billion, down 45 per cent on the record full year profit of 2008, mainly reflecting the weaker market environment of lower average oil and gas prices and depressed refining margins.


This spill could cost BP half of its 2009 profits. Wow.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acoustic Shut Off Valve. The US doesn't require off-shore rigs to use them. They cost about a half million dollars and in the early 2000's the regulators decided they needed "more time" to evaluate the effectiveness of them. They were considered too costly on a rig with a replacement cost of a half billion dollars. The valve is worth 0.089 percent of the replacement cost of the rig and that was considered "too costly"

Thanks again, toothless regulators!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212031417936798.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil spill are natural, the ocean will take care of itself.

http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/oil-hits-louisiana-coast-could-reach-florida-by-sunday/1091532

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Pundit Rush Limbaugh, who has a home on Florida's Palm Beach, suggested that the explosion could have resulted from Earth Day eco-sabotage by one of the rig workers. Limbaugh also said a cleanup was unnecessary.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there," Limbaugh said. "It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is."
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
Oil spill are natural, the ocean will take care of itself.

http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/oil-hits-louisiana-coast-could-reach-florida-by-sunday/1091532

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Pundit Rush Limbaugh, who has a home on Florida's Palm Beach, suggested that the explosion could have resulted from Earth Day eco-sabotage by one of the rig workers. Limbaugh also said a cleanup was unnecessary.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there," Limbaugh said. "It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is."


Someone should drop off Rush in the middle of the oil spill, have him kick around a little.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarah Palin's new chant: "Spill, baby, spill"
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of us get that:

- Offshore drilling is bad
- Drilling in Alaskan preserve is bad
- Depending on oil from the middle east is bad

The problem is that until we get off the oil teat we need to get it from at least 2 of the 3 unless you want gas/oil to only be available to those who could afford the prices with the limited supply. So pick which 2.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we need to stop offshore drilling because of this, we just need to implement better fail-safe measures. I don't care if it raises the cost (it really shouldn't though), this disaster cannot happen again.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
I don't think we need to stop offshore drilling because of this, we just need to implement better fail-safe measures. I don't care if it raises the cost (it really shouldn't though), this disaster cannot happen again.


The idea that better shut off valves cost less than 500K, and the amount of the cleanup = HALF of what profits were in 2009 shows how fucked up the priorities are.

Just spend the money on better fail safes...
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/05/gulf-oil-spill-palin-camp_n_564407.html

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Gulf Oil Spill: Palin Camp Says You Can't Trust Foreign Oil Companies [UPDATE]


It's not the oil companies that are guilty! It's the foreign oil companies.

What about Exxon Valdez, you stupid bimbo?


And more idiotic reactions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/gulf-oil-spill-photos-the_n_565016.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much for making BP pay all the cleanup costs:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704635204575242203078292166.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

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In the Senate, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R., Alaska) led the charge against a measure aimed at raising to $10 billion the limit on damage claims that BP must pay for the oil spill. The current limit, of $75 million, has been widely criticized by lawmakers as too low.

Republicans blocked efforts to proceed, saying independent offshore oil developers would not be able to stay in business under the legislation because small companies wouldn't be able to self-insure against claims.

"The only companies that are going to be able to self-insure against this level of strict liability are the national oil companies, the super majors," Ms. Murkowski said. She said that would create a "monopoly" on offshore drilling among giant companies such as BP. "We need to ensure that BP as the responsible party pays."


I don't give a fuck if raising liability forces so-called "small businesses" out of offshore drilling. If you can't cover (or get insured for) your potential liabilities you need to find a different business.

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U.S. senators earlier this week pressed BP about its plans to pay for costs related to the spill. The president of the company's American operations, Lamar McKay, told lawmakers the company would pay all "legitimate" claims. He added that the "claims have to have some basis, have to have some substantiation."


I'm sure they will find a way to deem claims from fisherman as unsubstantiated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there really any doubt that BP will just pass along the cost to consumers in the form of raising oil prices? Sorry folks, it's the summer crude! Short supply! And is there any doubt that their competitors will see a free opportunity to raise their prices right along with them just because they're greedy SOB's?

I can't wait to see the show. Congress will call oil execs in front of them to sternly ask why gas costs $5.00/gallon and those execs will just sit there and shrug because there's nothing anybody can do about it. Talk about your reasons to boycott a line of business...
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, have fun trying to boycott oil. I think the Half Term Governor declared that as the 8th Deadly Sin.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government Puts Pressure on BP to Stop Gulf Spill

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GALLIANO, La. — Federal officials and lawmakers on Monday cranked up the pressure on British energy giant BP PLC to stop its gushing underwater well and step up efforts to contain the widening spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
After touring impacted areas and meeting with local fishermen, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano joined Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and five U.S. senators at a podium in this southern Louisiana fishing town, about an hour's drive north from where oil was lapping up on beaches and pushing into fragile marshes.

The message rang clear: No more excuses.

"They will be held accountable," Salazar said of BP executives. "We will keep our boot on their neck until the job gets done."


Talk is cheap. Especially hollow tough talk this late into the disaster when the damage is already clearly going to be uncalculable..

The Government should have taken over this situation and not have left it up to BP to fix it once they saw how fucked up it was. Take over the damn situation, and while they're at it, confiscate BP rigs in the gulf and use them until we are paid back for the full damage costs.

THATS how you solve the damn problem.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:
Government Puts Pressure on BP to Stop Gulf Spill

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GALLIANO, La. — Federal officials and lawmakers on Monday cranked up the pressure on British energy giant BP PLC to stop its gushing underwater well and step up efforts to contain the widening spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
After touring impacted areas and meeting with local fishermen, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano joined Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and five U.S. senators at a podium in this southern Louisiana fishing town, about an hour's drive north from where oil was lapping up on beaches and pushing into fragile marshes.

The message rang clear: No more excuses.

"They will be held accountable," Salazar said of BP executives. "We will keep our boot on their neck until the job gets done."


Talk is cheap. Especially hollow tough talk this late into the disaster when the damage is already clearly going to be uncalculable..

The Government should have taken over this situation and not have left it up to BP to fix it once they saw how fucked up it was. Take over the damn situation, and while they're at it, confiscate BP rigs in the gulf and use them until we are paid back for the full damage costs.

THATS how you solve the damn problem.

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You screw up this badly, you cover the costs. I'm not a 'W' fan, but he'd have been crucified if this cluster**** had happened during his term. You have to feel for those living on the gulf coast.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can put all the "pressure" on BP that they want but it won't fix the problem. For the past 30 years the only thing that has worked in situations of smaller scale to this was to drill a relief well. BP has started that drilling and won't be completed till August.

All they can do now is focus on cleanup.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Till August????

OH MY BLOODY HELL- that well can't spew unchecked until then.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep:

BP wrote:
BP today announced that work has begun to drill a relief well to intercept and isolate the oil well that is spilling oil in the US Gulf of Mexico. The drilling began at 15:00CDT (21:00BST) on Sunday May 2.

The new well, in 5,000 feet of water, is planned to intercept the existing well around 13,000 feet below the seabed and permanently seal it. The new drill site is about half a mile on the seabed from the leaking well in Mississippi Canyon block 252, and drilling is estimated to take some three months.


Right now, the 'solutions' are just throwing shit against the wall and seeing if it sticks. I've heard people wondering if we can just blow the thing up and the collapse would seal it but I think that is ridiculous. All these things have been tried before and the only thing that worked was a relief well.

BP has an incentive to get the relief well in as soon as possible. The Administration should be primarily focused on cleanup and keeping pressure on BP to make sure they don't weasel out of any liabilities.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard on one of the Networks (CNN or MSNBC) the other day that Canada requires a relief well to be drilled at the same time as the primary well.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a really good idea.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/26/bp-oil-spill-live-feed-vi_n_590635.html

Live feed to the broken line.

I dont know shit about this stuff - but it looks ALOT better (less flow) than it did a couple days ago.
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