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matt
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
And from one of the comments

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2764


A very interesting read.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
levski wrote:
And from one of the comments

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2764


A very interesting read.


From the last paragraph

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The Supreme Court will probably not even consider the issue unless a federal court of appeals strikes the tax down. In that unlikely event, the Supreme Court will almost certainly uphold the tax, at least if it follows existing law. To strike down the individual mandate, it would have to reject decades of precedents. It is very unlikely that there are five votes on the current Court for staging such a constitutional revolution.


Unfortunately, the two Bushes appointed several morons to the Supreme Court...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obamney care?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/obomneycare-the-ultimate_n_517218.html

Mitt is done.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obamney care?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/obomneycare-the-ultimate_n_517218.html

Mitt is done.


Sadly, he's a smart guy. He's just trying to ride shotgun on a train wreck called GOP.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sadly, he's a smart guy. He's just trying to ride shotgun on a train wreck called GOP.


Xactly

Times have changed... When I was growing up in the dinosaur days (shortly after Stu), there actually WAS a thing called Liberal or Progressive Republicans...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
Obamney care?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/obomneycare-the-ultimate_n_517218.html

Mitt is done.


Sadly, he's a smart guy. He's just trying to ride shotgun on a train wreck called GOP.


He sure messed up his words there which is surprising... he does an excellent job explaining the plan he put into action in Massachusetts and its differences from ObamaCare in his new book.

Looking forward to Mitt in the White House in 2012.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the WH group tours waiting list is ridiculously long these days.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dre wrote:
levski wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
Obamney care?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/obomneycare-the-ultimate_n_517218.html

Mitt is done.


Sadly, he's a smart guy. He's just trying to ride shotgun on a train wreck called GOP.


He sure messed up his words there which is surprising... he does an excellent job explaining the plan he put into action in Massachusetts and its differences from ObamaCare in his new book.

Looking forward to Mitt in the White House in 2012.


As the new janitor?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, the WH group tours waiting list is ridiculously long these days.


Zing!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sing along everybody!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moviegeekjn wrote:
Times have changed... When I was growing up in the dinosaur days (shortly after Stu), there actually WAS a thing called Liberal or Progressive Republicans...


Excerpts from The 1956 Republican Party Platform

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs--expansion of social security--broadened coverage in unemployment insurance --improved housing--and better health protection for all our people.

We favor a comprehensive study of the effect upon wildlife of the drainage of our wetlands.

We recognize the need for maintaining isolated wilderness areas.

A continuously vigorous enforcement of anti-trust laws

Legislation to enable closer Federal scrutiny of mergers which have a significant or potential monopolistic connotations;

Procedural changes in the antitrust laws to facilitate their enforcement.

Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;...

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/constitutionality-of-mandatory.html

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In sum, the newly legislated insurance tax is at least as indirect as unemployment insurance, more indirect than either Social Security or Medicare taxes, and less mandatory than any of the three. And yet it will be challenged as unconstitutional on mandatory direct tax grounds? One's head spins.

Now, the kicker: In a related segment moments earlier, Fox News' Bret Bair was reporting on how the healthcare reform would entail "raiding" Medicare to pay for the new healthcare programs. That is, there was an attempt to scare seniors by alluding to the possibility of touching a mandatory health insurance program that comes with a mandatory direct tax provision--but without so much as a pause to consider whether that programs fails the very constitutional standard raised in the next segment about the new healthcare law.

I'm sure there are many Americans who would like the government to get out of the business of providing insurance altogether. Fine. But if opponents want to object to healthcare mandates on constitutional grounds, they ought to at least be internally consistent and come out against Social Security, Medicare and probably unemployment insurance too. For they are the obvious and (as yet) constitutional precedents here, and they are all at least as direct and more mandatory than what the healthcare legislation requires.


Worth a read...

Check, check, and....check.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/09/news/economy/healthcare_insurance_affordable.fortune/
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