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What's your take on today's trade?
I'll wait and see.
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Two starters for one starter - I like it.
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D-backs got screwed and Tiger Woods wasn't even around.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who we got for EJax

23 year old Starting Pitcher Daniel Hudson this year for CWS was 1-1 with 6.32 ERA in 15.2 IP..former 5th rd pick in 2008

18 year old starting pitcher David Holmberg this year in Rookie level for CWS was 1-1 with a 4.46 ERA in 40.1 IP, drafted in 2nd rd in 2009 draft
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gambo says...

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Hudson will join team and likely start Monday in Phoenix against the Nationals.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nothing overwhelming in the #s Holmberg has put up in rookie ball so far in his career, but he is a lefty and just 19 years old. Looks to have good control but pitches to contact.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=holmbe001dav


2 young pitchers. Hudsons minor league stats look pretty good. I like this trade more than the Haren one.

If this is the return for Jackson - why didnt they get more for Haren.



Club got more for Haren than Houston did Oswalt.

Skaggs is till the best player joining our org in these deals.
Corbin > Holmberg IMO.
Hudson is a nice piece and could be a middle of the rotation guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Club got more for Haren than Houston did Oswalt.


Getting more than Oswalt shouldnt be the standard. Laughing

I think we got almost as much for Jackson as we did for Haren. I guess the market didnt value the "control" of haren/oswalt as highly as we think.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Club got more for Haren than Houston did Oswalt.


Getting more than Oswalt shouldnt be the standard. Laughing

I think we got almost as much for Jackson as we did for Haren. I guess the market didnt value the "control" of haren/oswalt as highly as we think.


Not even close IMO
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From KLaw when I asked "rank AZ's newly acquired... 1. Skaggs 2. Hudson 3. Corbin 4. Holmberg?"
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I've got Holmberg > Corbin, but Skaggs is definitely the best of the four they acquired.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From KLaw when I asked "rank AZ's newly acquired... 1. Skaggs 2. Hudson 3. Corbin 4. Holmberg?"
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I've got Holmberg > Corbin, but Skaggs is definitely the best of the four they acquired.


Ok - fair enough.

I think Saunders may surprise as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this deal a lot. We can be in last place with or without Edwin Jackson and the pitchers we got look promising.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From KLaw when I asked "rank AZ's newly acquired... 1. Skaggs 2. Hudson 3. Corbin 4. Holmberg?"
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I've got Holmberg > Corbin, but Skaggs is definitely the best of the four they acquired.


Ok - fair enough.

I think Saunders may surprise as well.


With the fair amount of decent hitting prospects we have in the low minors and adding these arms down there as well, we may in fact have light at the end of the tunnel, but its 2013/14ish.

yeah, Saunders could do alright here... he not a total schlub
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like this deal a lot. We can be in last place with or without Edwin Jackson and the pitchers we got look promising.


exactly, there was no reason to keep him when the team has already punted the 2011 season
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the trade. Hudson can be a mainstay of our rotation until 2016. He has the ability to be a good #2/#3 starter, my only concern about him is that as he has gone through the minors he's gone from being a groundball pitcher to a fly-pitcher.

I like Holmberg as well. He has to work on his fastball as on his best days he just manages to reach 90mph but he has a strong changeup and curveball and is only 19. Also its nice when you can get a 2nd round draft pick from the previous year as the filler piece in a trade.

I just hope we aint sending any money to Chicago.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

qudjy1 wrote:
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Nothing overwhelming in the #s Holmberg has put up in rookie ball so far in his career, but he is a lefty and just 19 years old. Looks to have good control but pitches to contact.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=holmbe001dav


2 young pitchers. Hudsons minor league stats look pretty good. I like this trade more than the Haren one.

If this is the return for Jackson - why didnt they get more for Haren.


Haren is owed a lot more money. Whether you or anyone believe it is over-under-at market price salary, it's still money, and if Arizona isn't paying any of it, then they got as much as the Angels were willing to pay.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some tweets from Nick Piecoro:

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With Pat Corbin, David Holmberg and Tyler Skaggs on board -- Skaggs in a week or so -- Dbacks will have 11 of top 95 from last year’s draft.


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Holmberg's Baseball America writeup is strikingly similar to Brett Anderson's from 2006: Great secondary stuff, feel for pitching, bad body.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as we lose constructively - increases our chances for winning in the future - I'm for it. 2011 is bye-bye, but if these guys we acquire look to start contributing in 2012/2013, make that move.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the deal for AZ. Hudson is a cheap #3/#4 for the next few years (with six years of total control), and Holmberg is a young lefty with upside. I'm sure when AZ made the deal for EJax, their hope was to get a monster year out of him in 2010 while he was still cheap and then sell high before the $8+ million in 2011 kicked in. Things didn't work out exactly the way they planned, but they still ended up with a nice return on their investment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another tweet I just read quoting the (interim) GM:

mlbtraderumors Asked about concern over a flyball-prone rotation, Dipoto says "pitchers with good stuff work just about anywhere."
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some tweets from MLBTR:

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Asked about concern over a flyball-prone rotation, Dipoto says "pitchers with good stuff work just about anywhere."


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Dipoto tells MLBTR "a handful of other teams" inquired on Jackson. Sees Dan Hudson at top half of rotation in future.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hudson was the Sox's #3 prospect preseason, Holmberg #8.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2010/269333.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet held the presses and got the new kid in for his first start as a DBACK monday night.

Had to go to press now which is way late so no more deals please Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd much rather use ERA+ times Innings pitched than xFIP or FIP times Innings pitched for calculating value.

ERA actually has a directly relationship to the results on the field. xFIP and FIP are the bizarro world equivalents.


Then you would be a bad GM.
FIP and xFIP measure a player's skill, and pretty much predicts their future performance. How many homeruns and walks they give up, and how many strikeouts they record, while ERA+ measures their past performance, which is not what you would be getting in a trade.


Dude, I mean value in terms of how much a player was worth during a season (to overall team win/loss record), not for future projections.

Everybody's got a link to fangraphs and is coming around to tell me what Cameron writes. I read Cameron long before fangraphs even existed.

Sorry to be sounding like a jerk here, but I really don't need people teaching me stuff that I've known for so long I've already forgotten it.
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Dre wrote:
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Nothing overwhelming in the #s Holmberg has put up in rookie ball so far in his career, but he is a lefty and just 19 years old. Looks to have good control but pitches to contact.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=holmbe001dav


2 young pitchers. Hudsons minor league stats look pretty good. I like this trade more than the Haren one.

If this is the return for Jackson - why didnt they get more for Haren.



Club got more for Haren than Houston did Oswalt.

Skaggs is till the best player joining our org in these deals.
Corbin > Holmberg IMO.
Hudson is a nice piece and could be a middle of the rotation guy.


Well, Ed Wage is a horrible GM...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hudson to pitch Sunday vs the Mets via Sut
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Hudson to pitch Sunday vs the Mets via Sut


Maybe I should go...
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http://taoofsteve.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/a_closer_look_at_hudson_and_ho.html

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I asked MLB.com's resident prospect expert Jonathan Mayo for a look at the two pitchers the D-backs received today for Edwin Jackson. Here's what Mayo had to say:

The Diamondbacks may have traded Edwin Jackson away to the White Sox, but they got two young arms in return. Here's some more information on Dan Hudson and David Holmberg.

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Report: Nats not sure they want Jackson http://tinyurl.com/m3gqtf
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