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Most Likely Webb Scenario?
Pick up $8.5M option for 2010
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Buy out option for $2M
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Work out compromise for less than $8.5M (only valid if there's actually a deal)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It'd be nice if he'd make it a little less obvious.


Why?


Because nobody likes a player who complains about the new manager, then milks an injury until the manager is fired, then is cured the second the new manager takes over.


Hence the need for a good leader. A good leader would not have stuff like this going on with quality people.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
Jdub wrote:
Prosopis wrote:
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It'd be nice if he'd make it a little less obvious.


Why?


Because nobody likes a player who complains about the new manager, then milks an injury until the manager is fired, then is cured the second the new manager takes over.


i find it funny how i have been saying all year that i think webby is milking it, and i got some good heat from it..... im happy to see people joining me on the bus Laughing


When was I ever not on the bus?


i didnt say who was with me or against me.... Wink


I am not on your bus. I dont think Webb was "milking it". Maybe he could have put forth more effort.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont think Webb was "milking it". Maybe he could have put forth more effort.


So he Brad Penny'd it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prosopis wrote:
Jdub wrote:
Prosopis wrote:
TAP wrote:
It'd be nice if he'd make it a little less obvious.


Why?


Because nobody likes a player who complains about the new manager, then milks an injury until the manager is fired, then is cured the second the new manager takes over.


Hence the need for a good leader. A good leader would not have stuff like this going on with quality people.


Exactly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBC-Dog wrote:
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Oh Jeez.

I have no doubt (especially considering his comments) that AJ Hinch was not well liked by Webb.

But if this were all some elaborate ruse to get a Manager fired, why not come back now?

A healthy Brandon Webb could make a huge difference in Kirk Gibson's W/L record, who he obviously likes, so why come back in late August instead of late July or early August?


He still needs to get ready. He hasn't had spring training or anything yet.


Exactly.


Exactly.

If there is really nothing wrong and he has been pretending to be hurt, he can start stretching out now and go on a minor league rehab assignment and be ready in about 4 or 5 weeks.

Instead it sounds like he is about 2 months out, which is the same timeframe we have been hearing since he went down with an injury almost 2 years ago.

If Webb never pitches again (at least at the level he once did), will this be some elaborate ruse to get Hinch fired?

Did he go get pretty major shoulder surgery because he wanted to get Hinch fired too?

I never thought I would see people treating Brandon Webb, the franchises greatest homegrown talent (till Upton steps up), so disrespectfully.

He definitely needs to create an account here so people will be forced to show him some respect like Derrick Hall gets around here.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?

He can host auditions on his own time. I'd rather scout our own pitchers during those starts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?

He can host auditions on his own time. I'd rather scout our own pitchers during those starts.


Exactly. It is going to be too late to trade him, which was the only benefit I saw to picking up the option. I was one of the very few who was against picking up the option as is/was. From my own experience recovering from the same injury I had more realistic expectations on what he would give us THIS year. I didn't think it would be this late though...

I see zero chance of him resigning next year so why even try to generate any good will. I would rather see Enright, Augistein, Torra or whomever get those starts now.

I see no benefit in him coming back now for the team.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?


Maybe the Dbacks will be in the wild card race by then.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
dirtygary wrote:
Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?


Maybe the Dbacks will be in the wild card race by then.


The only Diamondbacks that are going to be in a race by then are the D-Backs Legends. Unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
dirtygary wrote:
Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?


Maybe the Dbacks will be in the wild card race by then.


ValueArb would probably argue there's no chance of that now that the Diamondbacks have dismissed the greatest baseball manger since Joe McCarthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azentropy wrote:
dirtygary wrote:
Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?

He can host auditions on his own time. I'd rather scout our own pitchers during those starts.


Exactly. It is going to be too late to trade him, which was the only benefit I saw to picking up the option. I was one of the very few who was against picking up the option as is/was. From my own experience recovering from the same injury I had more realistic expectations on what he would give us THIS year. I didn't think it would be this late though...

I see zero chance of him resigning next year so why even try to generate any good will. I would rather see Enright, Augistein, Torra or whomever get those starts now.

I see no benefit in him coming back now for the team.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B. O. N. D. wrote:
levski wrote:
dirtygary wrote:
Why would we play Webb at the end of another wasted season? The guy has obviously been in no hurry to throw again for 2 years, and now wants to show up the last 6 weeks to showcase himself for other teams?


Maybe the Dbacks will be in the wild card race by then.


The only Diamondbacks that are going to be in a race by then are the D-Backs Legends. Unfortunately.


Unless Randall Simon gets access to the field during one the races...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the love of all that is holy can somebody at the DBACKS get Fox Sports Arizona to quit running the Brandon Webb Cabo fishing show.

I ran a FOCUS GROUP and it said STOP SHOWING IT NOW! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:
For the love of all that is holy can somebody at the DBACKS get Fox Sports Arizona to quit running the Brandon Webb Cabo fishing show.

I ran a FOCUS GROUP and it said STOP SHOWING IT NOW! Evil or Very Mad


If you would watch the show though, it changes ever so slightly each time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's sounding like the return of brandon webb is becoming more and more unlikely this year -

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/NickPiecoro/91402
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's sounding like the return of brandon webb is becoming more and more unlikely this year -

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/NickPiecoro/91402

Webb's done this year. I wonder how he's going to get his big FA contract without an in-season audition proving he's healthy enough to pitch.
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TAP wrote:
Bobster wrote:
it's sounding like the return of brandon webb is becoming more and more unlikely this year -

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/NickPiecoro/91402

Webb's done this year. I wonder how he's going to get his big FA contract without an in-season audition proving he's healthy enough to pitch.


Ben Sheets missed all 2009 and got 10 mil from the A's this year
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's sounding like the return of brandon webb is becoming more and more unlikely this year -

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/NickPiecoro/91402

Webb's done this year. I wonder how he's going to get his big FA contract without an in-season audition proving he's healthy enough to pitch.

Ben Sheets missed all 2009 and got 10 mil from the A's this year

Webb's been sitting idle for two straight years now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Webb's been sitting idle for two straight years now.


He also has a more successful history than Sheets with less injuries.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember the situation. Was Sheets able to work out and show teams he could throw? Webb's going to need to do SOMETHING to get a descent one-year contract.
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Webb's been sitting idle for two straight years now.

He also has a more successful history than Sheets with less injuries.

Two seasons in a row unable to pitch.
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Two seasons in a row unable to pitch.


Just playing Devil's advocate.
In his defense, though, he did try to avoid surgery until, what, August of last year?

We've talked about arbitrary end points of performance; I view this as arbitrary end points of injury.
Had he gone under the knife in April, May, or even June of '09, could your statement still be said?

Someone will give him more for guaranteed, (unwarranted?) money for next season than most Americans will make in a lifetime, though, especially if he impresses at an open throwing session over the winter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
I can't remember the situation. Was Sheets able to work out and show teams he could throw? Webb's going to need to do SOMETHING to get a descent one-year contract.


Sheets held an open audition at UL-Monroe in January. He threw some fastballs and some curves... and looked good enough to get $10mil from Billy Beane.
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Webb's been sitting idle for two straight years now.


He also has a more successful history than Sheets with less injuries.


Less injuries, yes. More successful, not by much.
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