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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SheriffWannaBe wrote:
I crudely paraphrase here...

Does your mother know that you're crudely paraphrasing? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But he sure has a lot to say about the picture.


If I'm not mistaken, I think I heard him say tonight that the D-backs should go after Lackey this off-season because, and I crudely paraphrase here, it would only be about $3-4mil more than what they were paying Garland...

... sometimes I tell myself that he has to be spitting things out of his mouth just to get reactions, as there's no possible way anyone could believe some of the things he says.


They should also go after Cy Young, he's just a few years older than Garland.

Why not grab Tim Lincecum too? He isn't worth nearly as much as Garland.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SheriffWannaBe wrote:
matt wrote:
But he sure has a lot to say about the picture.


If I'm not mistaken, I think I heard him say tonight that the D-backs should go after Lackey this off-season because, and I crudely paraphrase here, it would only be about $3-4mil more than what they were paying Garland...

... sometimes I tell myself that he has to be spitting things out of his mouth just to get reactions, as there's no possible way anyone could believe some of the things he says.


Over the years, Gambo has suggested that the Dbacks sign Mark Mulder, Jason Schmidt and Barry Zito. He was ridiculed soundly here, but I don't think it's made any tangible impact on him. If blessed ignorance tightly wrapped in senility is the sign of the village idiot, Gambo would suffice for the entire urban population of China...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JB on the radio now - 620ktar.com i think...

can anyone post the audio?

It won't be available until later.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Rosenthal's latest

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The Diamondbacks quietly added to their pool of young talent with their trades of right-hander Jon Garland and relievers Tony Pena and Jon Rauch.

In fact, the D-Backs might even have acquired the future right side of their infield, obtaining first baseman Brandon Allen for Pena and reportedly getting second baseman Tony Abreu for Garland. The team also added a potential back-of-the-rotation starter, right-hander Kevin Mulvey, for Rauch.

One rival executive, however, says the D-Backs should have gotten more than just Abreu when they agreed to absorb the rest of Garland's contract. That figure will be between $1.1 million and $3.6 million, depending upon whether the Dodgers exercise their end of Garland's $10 million mutual option or pay him a buyout.


http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10011642/Royals-must-rebuild-to-win-a-World-Series

I think that's a fair assessment, but at the same time it made sense to move Garland and take whatever offers were out there, albeit a minimal return.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dre wrote:
From Rosenthal's latest

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The Diamondbacks quietly added to their pool of young talent with their trades of right-hander Jon Garland and relievers Tony Pena and Jon Rauch.

In fact, the D-Backs might even have acquired the future right side of their infield, obtaining first baseman Brandon Allen for Pena and reportedly getting second baseman Tony Abreu for Garland. The team also added a potential back-of-the-rotation starter, right-hander Kevin Mulvey, for Rauch.

One rival executive, however, says the D-Backs should have gotten more than just Abreu when they agreed to absorb the rest of Garland's contract. That figure will be between $1.1 million and $3.6 million, depending upon whether the Dodgers exercise their end of Garland's $10 million mutual option or pay him a buyout.


http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10011642/Royals-must-rebuild-to-win-a-World-Series

I think that's a fair assessment, but at the same time it made sense to move Garland and take whatever offers were out there, albeit a minimal return.


Well - thats the kind of thinking (by that exec) that kept soriano in Washington for no reason... Of course thats not the best example - because WSH got draft picks (not the case with garland).

I agree with you Dre - It might not be "enough", but it was probably the most that the market would bear. At the end of the day - JB helped the team by getting a 2B that has years of control. Im good with that. Garland was done here - his time here was over, and we were on the hook for that money. We added a piece of the puzzle for next year.

Its always easy for someone to say "we should have gotten more". But where was this rival exec if he was willing to give up more? No where to be found.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me thinks the rival exec is in Denver.

Also dont forget their might be another player added in the Garland deal.

Only bad thing I have heard about TA is that his damn agent is Mr. Boras. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:
Me thinks the rival exec is in Denver.


Well - he had his chance. Of course "MORE" is pretty subjective - and is different to everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it, every GM had the oppportunity to claim Garland just for his contract, that is giving no player at all in return. All passed. This does not seem that Garland was in high demand.

Your continium is no player for Garland and paying some of the salary versus paying some or all of of the salary and getting a player. Obviously, the more you pay, the better the player you should get. The paying all of the salary should an easy comparison as the quality of the player is the only variable.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The paying all of the salary should an easy comparison as the quality of the player is the only variable.


Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:
Me thinks the rival exec is in Denver.

Also dont forget their might be another player added in the Garland deal.

Only bad thing I have heard about TA is that his damn agent is Mr. Boras. Wink


Where was that reported? Any idea who?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THE SHADOW wrote:
Me thinks the rival exec is in Denver.

Also dont forget their might be another player added in the Garland deal.

Only bad thing I have heard about TA is that his damn agent is Mr. Boras. Wink


Where was that reported? Here by me.

Any idea who? Nope not yet and there might not be anyone but dont be surprised if we get someone else too.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Nick at night Laughing

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2009/09/02/20090902spt-dbaxnotes.html

Team sources said Dodgers minor-league infielder Tony Abreu still could end up being the player to be named later in the Jon Garland deal, but his inclusion in the trade is not a sure thing. It's unclear what the holdup is, but Diamondbacks General Manager Josh Byrnes was seen meeting with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti and Assistant GM Kim Ng on the field before Wednesday's game.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abreu had some severe injury a couple years ago, groin I believe, and I wonder if he flunked a physical.

This is already a weird deal, given the wide range of salary we may have to eat, depending on if the Dodgers pick up Garland's option it could cost us another $1.5M. It seems the deal has to be conditional, so if we pay the extra $1.5M the Dodgers would upgrade the player or add another.
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The Dodgers love the Diamondbacks. There is no way the Dodgers would try to send their rivals damaged goods! Mad
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Abreu, 25, is a switch-hitting second baseman from the Dominican Republic. He was an international sign in '02 who slowly made his way through the Dodgers system. In 49 games for Triple-A Albuquerque this year, Abreu was hitting .351/.382/.609 with 16 doubles, 10 home runs and 44 RBIs. His power numbers this year are a bit of a mirage, thanks to the friendly hitting environment at Isotopes Park and in the Pacific Coast League, in general. He's more of a gap-to-gap, doubles hitter.

Los Angeles' No. 5-ranked prospect in '07 puts the ball in play and can hit for a high average, but he is a bit of a free-swinger who has walked just 12 times in 2009. Abreu missed half of '07 and all of '08 with groin and hip injuries. Before those injuries slowed him down, he had above average speed. The 5-foot-9, 185-pound Abreu was a shortstop early in his career, but profiles as a major league second baseman. He could also play some third base as an extra infielder.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2009/268812.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abreu pinch hit today in AAA....
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Abreu pinch hit today in AAA....


and what he do?
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Abreu pinch hit today in AAA....


and what he do?


he struck out

the bigger point here is that if he was pinch hitting, he no longer was on waivers
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levski wrote:
NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
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Abreu pinch hit today in AAA....


and what he do?


he struck out

the bigger point here is that if he was pinch hitting, he no longer was on waivers


Someone probably claimed him. So the transaction will be finished after the year - which is fine.

Colletti and JB might have met as a courtesy to see what they should do with Abreu until then. At least that makes most sense to me.
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DBacks-Dodgers deal hits snag
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DBacks-Dodgers deal hits snag


See, now this makes me angry *crushes bricks* Dodgers should have to give up Kemp and Manny's hair to make it even.
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DBacks-Dodgers deal hits snag


wow...

thats fucked up.
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DBacks-Dodgers deal hits snag

wow...

thats fucked up.

A WTF moment that makes me think of this recent item.
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TAP wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
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DBacks-Dodgers deal hits snag

wow...

thats fucked up.

A WTF moment that makes me think of this recent item.


my 2c

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/azcentralcom_d_backs_dodgers_deal_hits_snag/
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