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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Chris Young Reply with quote

What a joke Young is right now. He needs to go to Reno and work things out for a month or two.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 K's tonight.

2009
139 PA's
.171/.219/.302
.521 OPS
2 HR
7 BB / 38 K (1 BB for every 5.43 K)
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big believer in letting guys try to work through their issues at the major league level (like Upton), but CY has had more than enough time, and it's just not happening up here. That said, I'm inclined to give our new hitting coach some time to work with him, but if he's not making noticeable improvements (cut down that swing, for one) in another couple of weeks, then yes, he should be sent down.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much to gain by waiting any longer. CY should go to Reno and try to work out whatever is wrong (long swing, poor plate discipline, and trying to pull everything). Waiting longer will only hurt him and the club!
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think he needs to be sent down. If he's not going to get regular playing time here (I mean being the starter in center), then he's not going to get into the rhythm and get the chances to work this out. Parra's succeeding in the line-up right now and I don't feel the team has games to waste to figure out how to get Young's stroke back.

I guess the difference is to let him work through it until CoJack gets back, because there just isn't anyone else to turn to right now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of all major league hitters this year with at least 100 PA's (229 players in total), Chris Young is 228th in BA (.171) and 228th in OBP (.219).
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That just says it all tap, wow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
Of all major league hitters this year with at least 100 PA's (229 players in total), Chris Young is 228th in BA (.171) and 228th in OBP (.219).


who is the poor soul behind CY
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misterx wrote:
TAP wrote:
Of all major league hitters this year with at least 100 PA's (229 players in total), Chris Young is 228th in BA (.171) and 228th in OBP (.219).

who is the poor soul behind CY

Brian Giles .166 BA
Dioner Navarro .203 OBP



Quotes from before today's doubleheader:

"Honestly, I don't feel that bad. Lately, I'm swinging at strikes, and I feel like I'm having good at-bats. I'm just getting my pitch to hit and I'm fouling it back. So it's just a matter of making adjustments to where, when I'm swinging, I'm barreling the ball up, putting it in play hard like I used to be. By no means am I panicking, because I don't feel like I'm far out, but adjustments definitely have to be made."
- Chris Young

"It's trying to win games, and when he's good, he can certainly help us win games. We still have confidence in him. I know he's working his tail off in the cage with [hitting coach] Jack [Howell] to iron out the mechanics stuff, but it's a competitive business, and we're obviously trying to put the best group out there, and obviously we're a better team when Chris Young is confident and playing hard."
- A.J. Hinch
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote:
bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....


Are we talking about the same Chris Young Shocked
A slight desert breeze could blow the kid over, and you think he was juicing?!
The dude's as thin as a rail!
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Justin wrote:
bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....


Are we talking about the same Chris Young Shocked
A slight desert breeze could blow the kid over, and you think he was juicing?!
The dude's as thin as a rail!


Well look at the stats. Might not be the juice, but something fishy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all knew Chris had problems with making contact, even during the 2007 season. His struggles are chiefly a combination of his lack of improvement and the league as a whole scouting him so frequently that they have learned how to take advantage of the gaping holes in his approach.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote:
Well look at the stats. Might not be the juice, but something fishy.

Fish oil?
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote:
SheriffWannaBe wrote:
Justin wrote:
bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....


Are we talking about the same Chris Young Shocked
A slight desert breeze could blow the kid over, and you think he was juicing?!
The dude's as thin as a rail!


Well look at the stats. Might not be the juice, but something fishy.


Reminds me of this kid. When he was 26 he exploded, showing even more power than CY. People thought he was going to be a superstar, but the next year his HR rate was cut in half, he started striking out more and by 31 he was pretty much done.

Obvious juicer IMHO Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody know if Young would continue to accrue major league service time if he's in the minors because of his contract?
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As more time passes, I am starting to wonder if they are hurting him more by not sending him down, instead of forcing him to make adjustments and try to correct the holes in his swing here, where he is also expected to get big hits.

Had they sent him down a month ago, he might already be back and more like the Chris Young from last year (or 2007).

I think a lot of it has to do with Josh Byrnes saving face, because he gave him that big contract, but eventually they have to realize that he is hurting this team and needs to go to a less stressful environment to work things out.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smokey wrote:
Anybody know if Young would continue to accrue major league service time if he's in the minors because of his contract?


Someone with more knowledge about it can correct me, but I think the $30M contract bought out his arbitration years and replaces the old contract, so yes, he would still accrue MLB service time.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ValueArb wrote:
Justin wrote:
SheriffWannaBe wrote:
Justin wrote:
bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....


Are we talking about the same Chris Young Shocked
A slight desert breeze could blow the kid over, and you think he was juicing?!
The dude's as thin as a rail!


Well look at the stats. Might not be the juice, but something fishy.


Reminds me of this kid. When he was 26 he exploded, showing even more power than CY. People thought he was going to be a superstar, but the next year his HR rate was cut in half, he started striking out more and by 31 he was pretty much done.

Obvious juicer IMHO Rolling Eyes


Yeah, you are right. And dont forget about this guys '96 season! CY is listed at 5 lbs lighter than him.

You really want to pull up players from 40 years ago that niether of us actually saw in person?
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBC-Dog wrote:
Smokey wrote:
Anybody know if Young would continue to accrue major league service time if he's in the minors because of his contract?


Someone with more knowledge about it can correct me, but I think the $30M contract bought out his arbitration years and replaces the old contract, so yes, he would still accrue MLB service time.


I don't know for sure but I see no reason why his contract should matter at all. Buying out arb years has nothing to do with accruing service time. Everyone in the minors that is on a 40 man roster has an MLB contract.

It has to do with option years, CY should have more option years left.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No he would not accrue MLB service time. And he should have two options left IIRC. Sending him down would obviously use one of those. And since he hasn't reached 5 full years of service yet, he can be sent down without his consent.

He would however continue to make his regular salary.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D-Backs waiting out Young's slump
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote:
ValueArb wrote:
Justin wrote:
SheriffWannaBe wrote:
Justin wrote:
bcpkron06 wrote:
There is just no way a guy hits 32 HR and 68 RBI, and then TWO years later, at age 25, he has 2 HR and 8 RBI through 124 AB, and hitting .177 as well.


Did he get tested in 07? And I dont mean for stds....


Are we talking about the same Chris Young Shocked
A slight desert breeze could blow the kid over, and you think he was juicing?!
The dude's as thin as a rail!


Well look at the stats. Might not be the juice, but something fishy.


Reminds me of this kid. When he was 26 he exploded, showing even more power than CY. People thought he was going to be a superstar, but the next year his HR rate was cut in half, he started striking out more and by 31 he was pretty much done.

Obvious juicer IMHO Rolling Eyes


Yeah, you are right. And dont forget about this guys '96 season! CY is listed at 5 lbs lighter than him.

You really want to pull up players from 40 years ago that niether of us actually saw in person?


Sure, because baseball players throughout history have had fluke years, so if fluke years are proof of steroid usage, then players have been using steroids since the 1800s.

And if Brady Anderson hit 50 HR's solely because he was on "the juice", why'd he quit after one year? Same question for CY's rookie season. If he evaded testing all that year, why didn't he keep doing it?

And if steroids can so magically create home run records, why is this season on pace to be the biggest home run year since testing began, and making a run at being the biggest in major league history?
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, this steroids talk is stupid. There's nothing outlandish about CY's 2007 season. It's the 2009 season that's the outlier. Hopefully he can bounce back soon...
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