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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: 2009 Top Dbacks prospects Reply with quote

Might as well get it started

http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasybaseball/story/11014098

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It has to be really hard to swallow missing the postseason this year. The D-Backs put a lot of their eggs in the basket to win in 2008.

They traded almost all of their top prospects for Dan Haren and sent Carlos Quentin to the White Sox in an ill-advised deal to get another piece -- Chris Carter -- to deal to the A's for Haren. Then, they dealt Micah Owings, Dallas Buck and Wilkin Castillo -- future major leaguers, all -- to the Reds for Adam Dunn.

The D-Backs are still a stock to buy, because of all their young talent still developing in the major leagues, but their farm system was robbed blind. One bright spot, Max Scherzer -- who exhausted his rookie eligibility this year -- should be another big-time arm in an already front-loaded rotation.

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Last year's top five here: Scherzer, OF Carlos Gonzalez (traded to OAK for Dan Haren), SP Greg Smith (traded to OAK for Haren), SP Brett Anderson (traded to OAK for Haren) and OF Aaron Cunningham (traded to OAK for Haren).


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: 2009 Top Dbacks prospects Reply with quote

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Last year's top five here: Scherzer, OF Carlos Gonzalez (traded to OAK for Dan Haren), SP Greg Smith (traded to OAK for Dan Haren), SP Brett Anderson (traded to OAK for Dan Haren) and OF Aaron Cunningham (traded to OAK for Dan Haren).


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Boy, that's depressing... Crying or Very sad

The only thing correct in the whole quote is lev's emoticon...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Piecoro with the goods on Arizona's new list of prospects...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really not overly worried about our farm system. Outside of 2B and maybe 1B depending on what happens with CJ next season, we've got a lot of guys that will be here for the next few years as our current and future prospects develop.

Hopefully this year's picks give us a nice kick-start.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall reading that the 2009 draft might be one of the worst, if not the worst, of the decade. There's absolutely no depth to it. Which is great for the Dbacks--they'll really be able to load up on a bunch of right handed relievers
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I recall reading that the 2009 draft might be one of the worst, if not the worst, of the decade. There's absolutely no depth to it. Which is great for the Dbacks--they'll really be able to load up on a bunch of right handed relievers


We'll see. The 2006 draft was supposedly going to be the worst in a while as well. But in retrospect it stands up very well... Hochevar, Longoria, Morrow, Andrew Miller, Kershaw, Lincecum, Scherzer, Travis Snider, Bard, Joba, etc. were all taken in the first round (including supplemental).

Incidentally, nice pick of Brooks Brown over Joba Chamberlain in the supplemental 1st. I remember Jim Callis running a mock draft a couple of weeks pre-draft having us taking Chamberlain in the 1st. Then Joba fell because of some medical issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Review of the Dbacks system

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081021&content_id=3635286&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2008 flashbacks

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081010&content_id=3608985&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:
levski wrote:
I recall reading that the 2009 draft might be one of the worst, if not the worst, of the decade. There's absolutely no depth to it. Which is great for the Dbacks--they'll really be able to load up on a bunch of right handed relievers


We'll see. The 2006 draft was supposedly going to be the worst in a while as well. But in retrospect it stands up very well... Hochevar, Longoria, Morrow, Andrew Miller, Kershaw, Lincecum, Scherzer, Travis Snider, Bard, Joba, etc. were all taken in the first round (including supplemental).


That's because no one here believed me Longoria was going to be a monster

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Incidentally, nice pick of Brooks Brown over Joba Chamberlain in the supplemental 1st. I remember Jim Callis running a mock draft a couple of weeks pre-draft having us taking Chamberlain in the 1st. Then Joba fell because of some medical issue.


Even the great CBW once called Joba a "Sidney Ponson wannabe"
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBW didn't think much of Scherzer either
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/37289

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The Diamondbacks began their three-day fall organizational meetings on Tuesday. Byrnes said the 2009 draft was a topic of discussion.

“Some discussion of the actual players, some about how we scout, our philosophy, the process, all that,” he said. “With what the 2009 draft could be, we wanted to get a little bit of a head start to it.”

By that, he was referring to how the club could end up having nine picks among the top 75 or so depending on which free agents sign elsewhere.

One change that has already gone in effect: The scouting staff is mixing up its regular assignments, meaning amateur scouts, pro scouts and international scouts are getting a variety of assignments.

“We’re going to blur those lines to where scouts are involved in all areas,” Byrnes said. “It’s good for any scout to see a greater variety of players through the 12-month process. And with making decisions, whether they’re pro guys or amateur guys, having a variety of perspectives helps the process along the way.”

Heard from two scouts in the organization who think this is a great idea.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another list

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/arizona-prospects-6-15.html

Arizona Diamondbacks Top-15 Prospects of 2009: No's 6 - 15


http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/arizona-prospects-1-to-5.html

Arizona Diamondbacks Top-15 Prospects of 2009: No's 1 - 5

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sportsline's Top 5 and best of the rest

skewed a bit towards a fantasy perspective

http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasybaseball/story/11014098
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Dre wrote:
Sportsline's Top 5 and best of the rest

skewed a bit towards a fantasy perspective

http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasybaseball/story/11014098


How is this different from the first post in this thread? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
Dre wrote:
Sportsline's Top 5 and best of the rest

skewed a bit towards a fantasy perspective

http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasybaseball/story/11014098


How is this different from the first post in this thread? Laughing


D'oh! Laughing

Must've been during one of those times where I blocked out all your posts... my apologies
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http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8277

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Five-Star Prospects
1. Jarrod Parker, RHP
Four-Star Prospects
2. Daniel Schlereth, LHP
Three-Star Prospects
3. Gerardo Parra, OF
4. Wade Miley, RHP
5. Cesar Valdez, RHP
6. Kevin Eichhorn, RHP
7. Evan Frey, OF
Two-Star Prospects
8. Tony Barnette, RHP
9. Collin Cowgill, OF
10. Brian Shaw, RHP
11. Barry Enright, RHP

Just Missed: Jamie D'Antona, 1B/3B; Reynaldo Navarro, SS; Josh Whitesell, 1B

Ranking Challenges: Parker is an easy number one here, and Schlereth, a left-hander with true closer potential, is the obvious number two. The system drops off quickly and dramatically from there, and the fact that there are easily ten players who one could make a decent argument for in slots eight through eleven says more about the system's overall weakness than any kind of depth. For example, the 11th player on this list changed six times in the past five days.

1. Jarrod Parker, RHP
DOB: 11/24/88
Height/Weight: 6-1/180
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 1st round, 2007, Norwell HS (IN)
2008 Stats: 3.44 ERA at Low-A (117.2-113-33-117), 7.74 DERA
Last Year’s Ranking: 1

Year in Review: Last year's first-round pick got off to a slow start under a limited workload but improved as the season wore on, striking out 39 over 33 innings with a 1.91 ERA in his last six starts.

The Good: Parker shows everything it takes to be an upper-echelon starter, beginning with a plus fastball that sits at 91-95 mph and has touched 97. He throws both a slider and a curveball, and while he throws the slider more often, many scouts think that the curve has more potential as a swing-and-miss offering. His changeup has advanced to a usable average pitch that he's comfortable throwing to left-handed hitters. His athletic delivery is smooth and repeatable, helping him with his command and control, which are both outstanding for a teenager.

The Bad: While Parker has everything it takes to be a star, he rarely flashes all aspects of that potential in the same outing. His velocity fluctuated from plus to plus-plus for much of the season, and he had a tendency to get around on his breaking pitches at times. He needs to work on the non-pitching parts of his game; he has trouble fielding balls (especially bunts), and his slow delivery makes him easy to run on.
Fun Fact: In Parker's final start of the year, he went five one-hit innings with seven strikeouts at Fort Wayne, just a few miles from his hometown of Ossian, Indiana.

Perfect World Projection: A number two starter with All-Star possibilities.
Glass Half Empty: Parker didn't throw as hard as he did in high school, he's a little on the smallish side, and while the arm is good, it's not crazy good—more of a mid-rotation type as opposed to a stud.

Path To The Big Leagues: As a young starter with impact potential, there are no roadblocks for a prospect like Parker.

Timetable: Arizona was excited about the progress Parker made both during the regular season and in the instructional leagues. There is some thought within the organization that he's ready for Double-A, but he'll likely begin the year at High-A Visalia. If things start to click, he could be ready for a big-league look by the end of 2010.


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John Sickels / minorleaguebaseball.com today wrote:
Arizona Diamondbacks Top 20 Prospects for 2009

1) Jarrod Parker, RHP, Grade B+: Fine combination of performance, command, and plus stuff.

2) Daniel Schlereth, LHP, Grade B: Excellent stuff, but command and health record are concerns.

3) Gerardo Parra, OF, Grade B-: Does he have enough power to play a corner? Still quite young

4) Cesar Valdez, RHP, Grade B-: I like him, improved K/IP rate in Double-A a nice marker.

5) Wade Miley, LHP, Grade B-: Good stuff from the left stuff, needs more polish as he moves up.

6) Bryan Shaw, RHP, Grade B-: Throws hard, gets grounders, didn’t thrive in first exposure.

7) Trevor Harden, RHP, Grade B-: Dominated Pioneer League, good stuff, terrific ratios.

8 ) Kevin Eichhorn, RHP, Grade C+: Good bloodlines, polished for his age, lacks a plus fastball.

9) Barry Enright, RHP, Grade C+: Polished college pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

10) Collin Cowgill, OF, Grade C+: Huge numbers in college didn’t carry to A-ball, small guy.

11) Evan Frey, OF, Grade C: Very fast, hits for average, lack of power may be a problem in AA.

12) Tony Barnette, RHP, Grade C: Polished pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

13) Billy Buckner, RHP, Grade C: Regressed last year, quality of stuff slipped when I saw him.

14) Hector Ambriz, RHP, Grade C: Polished pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

15) Brooks Brown, RHP, Grade C: Has lost velocity since college, command also a problem.

16) Bryan Augenstein, RHP, Grade C: Polished pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

17) Wes Roemer, RHP, Grade C: Polished pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

18 ) Josh Collmenter, RHP, Grade C: Polished pitcher who throws strikes with average stuff.

19) Leo Rosales, RHP, Grade C: Can be a decent middle reliever in the majors.

20) Josh Whitesell, 1B, Grade C: Veteran minor league slugger had great year in Triple-A.

Trades and major league graduations have torn the entrails out of this system. Aside from Parker and Schlereth, no one here looks like a real impact talent to me. There are a lot of “pitchability” guys drafted from the college ranks, but few pitchers with strong upside. Some of these control guys will turn into useful major league pitchers, but it is hard to tell which ones at this point. The system is also very short on impact hitting talent.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guys I saw in the AFL didn't impress me, but I didn't see any pitchers. How did Brown look yesterday? I heard Ambriz looked good in the AFL
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How did Brown look yesterday?

He looked serviceable but not overpowering. Didn't miss many bats when he was over the plate but didn't get lit up. IIRC his worst inning was due mostly to walks and hard hit ground balls.
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Any chance he is a major league starter?
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Any chance he is a major league starter?


I can see him stepping into RJ's shoes right out of spring training.
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stu wrote:
Any chance he is a major league starter?

qudjy1 and I were seeing him as sort of a groundball pitching EdGon, but then again what do we know? Laughing
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Any chance he is a major league starter?

qudjy1 and I were seeing him as sort of a groundball pitching EdGon, but then again what do we know? Laughing


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Any chance he is a major league starter?

qudjy1 and I were seeing him as sort of a groundball pitching EdGon, but then again what do we know? Laughing


I trust you guys more than the FO except for Carlos.


As stated above - i wasnt that impressed - as it "felt" like he didnt miss many bats, and didnt seem like he really had much of an out pitch - even at the prospect level. But then again - he had 4 Ks in 5 innings which isnt that bad, so i kind of left questioning my own opinion.

I think a gb version of edgon is where i ended up.

It did seem to others that he did have alot of movement on his pitches - but i cant say i saw that myself. He cant afford to walk guys - as he is going to be a contact pitcher in the Majors if he gets there.
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