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David B
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: The Field of 65 Reply with quote

Went and watched my alma mater, Portland State, secure their first ever spot in the NCAA tournament last night (sorry NAU fans who might be here). I figured I'd use that as an excuse to start a March Madness thread.

And congrats and thank you to Arizona, for finally putting an end to the debacle which was the Oregon St. 2007-08 basketball season.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome for that shellacking my Cats handed to the Beavers. (I guess that's what I should say here. Very Happy ) It hurt us more than it hurt them. Our RPI took a hefty dive.

Here's to not ending a streak that's one year short of being as old as I.

Congrats on your Vikings. I was pulling for NAU just for the chance that all three Arizona universities could be in at the same time, but they just didn't play well enough to deserve it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats David. I didn't know anyone actually went to those schools. Smile Not a slam, just naive.

I am so looking forward to the tourney. I'll be in Vegas, as usual, on opening weekend to bet on and watch the games. Love the hustle, love the zone and the trap. The conference tourneys are a blast to watch as well. Great game right now between Pitt and Louisville. Unfortunately, I don't think ASU will be in the top 65.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good for your school David

Wazzu just helped ASU by beating Oregon

UofA beating Stanford would lock up a bid
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Saints are in!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UA just fell to stanford by a wide margin

most of the "bubble" teams according to ESPN fell today too, so who knows. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ASU, its not out of the realm of possibility that they get in.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is UCONN in or are they on the bubble? I havent been following this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceannsaich wrote:
Is UCONN in or are they on the bubble? I havent been following this year.


they are in
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobo game is in OT.

If they lose both ASU and even UofA will be better off.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Mexico lost

maybe the pac can get 7 the way its going
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobos lose in OT to Utah.

Looks like ASU is in now.

UofA I think its time to start printing up your NIT tickets.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:
Lobos lose in OT to Utah.

Looks like ASU is in now.

UofA I think its time to start printing up your NIT tickets.


I think UA still has a better shot getting in then ASU does though I think both teams get in over an 18 win Oregon team. ASU strongest argument is their head to head sweep over Arizona but the SC isn't likely to put that much weight on head to head competition because these aren't the only 2 teams they are looking at. ASU can point to their 5 wins against the top 50 rpi and 7 wins against the top 100, Arizona also has 5 wins against top 50 rpi and 10 wins against top 100.

Over their last 15 games ASU is 5-10 and I've been told that their RPI ranking is in the 80s (I haven't seen update rankings yet) when the highest RPI ranking for an at large team in NCAA history was in the mid-high 60s.

I simply think that if it were to come down to one school or the other that Arizona would have a better shot then ASU after looking at ASU's poor showing in the 2nd half of the season, their inability to win games on the road against decent teams and their horrible non-conference SOS.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bracketology has had 7 pac 10 teams in the both yesterday and today
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minnesota just beat Indiana with a highlight buzzer-beater. Some absolutely horrible calls that made the game close and the buzzer-beater necessary, but the right team won.

Georgetown and other top teams looked solid today. More great games tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASU is eliminated. They cannot be selected for the West Regional as the host of that region.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff Munn, doing the play-by-play of today's ST game on KTAR-620, has just announced that the field of 65 has been announced. UofA is in; ASU is not.

The report at azcentral.com.

UCLA is a #1 seed -- presumably, in the West regional..
Stanford is a #3 seed in the South regional.
Washington State is a #4 seed in the East regional.
USC is a #6 seed in the Midwest regional.
Oregon is a #9 seed in the South regional.
UofA is a #10 seed in the West regional.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilJuan wrote:
Jeff Munn, doing the play-by-play of today's ST game on KTAR-620, has just announced that the field of 65 has been announced. UofA is in; ASU is not.

Simply amazing.

ASU
19-12 overall
9-9 in conference play
2-0 vs. U of A

U of A
19-14 overall
8-10 in conference play
0-2 vs. ASU

Make rational sense of that selection. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
Make rational sense of that selection. Confused


According to the article, what kept ASU out was an RPI (?) of 88.

Without looking it up, I would guess that "RPI" is a form of ranking index, based on wins and losses (and other performance elements?) and relative strengths/weaknesses of opponents played - and that all that worked to ASU's disadvantage vis-a-vis the UofA's RPI...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
EvilJuan wrote:
Jeff Munn, doing the play-by-play of today's ST game on KTAR-620, has just announced that the field of 65 has been announced. UofA is in; ASU is not.

Simply amazing.

ASU
19-12 overall
9-9 in conference play
2-0 vs. U of A

U of A
19-14 overall
8-10 in conference play
0-2 vs. ASU

Make rational sense of that selection. Confused


It goes beyond conference play and UofA simply had the better overall resume. Arizona has a better RPI, a better SOS, more quality wins and better "good losses". 10 of ASU's 19 wins came against teams with an rpi of 201 or higher compared to 5 for UofA.

ASU
RPI: 83
SOS: 77
W/L vs RPI top 50:5-7
w/L vs RPI top 100: 7-10

UA
RPI: 38
SOS: 2
W/L vs RPI top 50: 5-8
W/L vs RPI top 100: 10-12
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just by eye's view, I'd think OSU gets in over UofA, but that's that. Looks like a great field and, unlike last year, it looks like there's a chance for quite a few upsets. I can't wait for Thursday.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oden wrote:
Just by eye's view, I'd think OSU gets in over UofA, but that's that. Looks like a great field and, unlike last year, it looks like there's a chance for quite a few upsets. I can't wait for Thursday.


just wondering how you figure that
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

final four picks
UCLA over Texas
North Carolina over Kansas
UCLA beats North Carolina for the title
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Figure what? Possible upsets this year? Conference tourneys usually are a good indicator and there were a few upsets this year. The "last in" at-large teams don't do well, traditionally. Really just looking at how few upsets there were last year and saying there will be a return to the norm this year.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oden wrote:
Figure what? Possible upsets this year? Conference tourneys usually are a good indicator and there were a few upsets this year. The "last in" at-large teams don't do well, traditionally. Really just looking at how few upsets there were last year and saying there will be a return to the norm this year.


figure this

Oden wrote:
Just by eye's view, I'd think OSU gets in over UofA, but that's that. Looks like a great field and, unlike last year, it looks like there's a chance for quite a few upsets. I can't wait for Thursday.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can actually see the choice of UofA over ASU as much as it pains me to say. Problem is, ASU didnt play anybody outside of thier conference outside of xavier - right?

I dont get the oregon one though....

I think that RPI thing is hugely flawed. Supposedly, its better to LOSE to good team than it is to beat a bad one. Kinda dumb. I get what its supposed to do, but the weighting is off...

Whatever. Fact is, ASU had a chance to make it not matter, and they coulndt beat USC in the pac 10 tourney when it counted - bad call or not. Same goes for a Cal game that they shoudl have won.
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