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Will SF finish last in the NL West in 2008?
Yes, they're destined for the cellar.
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No, the Giants are on their way up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Giants - last place in the NL West for 2008? Reply with quote

tmar and I have a personal bet this season (strange bets occur on that long drive back from Tucson) which I consider easy money. I say SF will end up in last place in the NL West, but tmar is surprisingly confident that one of the other teams, possibly SD or LA, will fall below SF by season's end.

What say ye?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im going to go further and say the Pirates have a better record.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all respects to Tmar, what are you going to do with your windfall TAP?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP, did you have to get tmar liquored up before he took this bet?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted, SF has some decent starting pitching but I don't see where they're gonna score any runs.

Kinda OT, but odds to win the division

AZ, SD, Col, LA all 5/2
SF 50/1
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted no just to give Tmar some support Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a conversation that started while leaving TEP and wasn't re-addressed with the bet finalized until the end of the trip. At that point shoewizard was the only witness to our wager.

It may not be the slam dunk that I believe it to be. tmar based his faith on the fact that SF's pitching will carry them and that not all of the other four teams will rise to meet their expectations. In fact if my age-addled brain serves me correctly, AZSnakepit commented while still in Tucson that he wouldn't mind getting in on that action (that SF will avoid last place in the NL West).

I'm still confident that SF will be less than giant this year, but we'll see....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best case scenario is that SF wins 78 games... absolute maximum.

Now is it possible 1 of the top 4 slips and the Giants have their best season imaginable? Sure, just not likely.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see SF with 80 wins this year, Zito has to improve, Noah Lowry and Matt Cain had pretty good years in '07 , i was impressed with their WHIP, ERA, and IP
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewberry wrote:
i see SF with 80 wins this year, Zito has to improve, Noah Lowry and Matt Cain had pretty good years in '07 , i was impressed with their WHIP, ERA, and IP


Lowry can't find the side of a barn. Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career. Zito's mechanics are so screwed up the Giants would get better results putting C3P0 out there.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lowry is hurt now. Wrist Tendonitis.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career.


He's posted a 119 ERA+ in his 2-and-half-years in the bigs, and he's still only 23 years old. He tossed 200 innings last year at an ERA of 3.65. I know his W-L record was terrible last year, but that's only because the putrid Giants offense provided him with some of the worst run support in the league.

I don't know what his expectations were, but he's been a pretty good pitcher so far.

I only wish he were a D-Back... Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nystro wrote:
Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career.


He's posted a 119 ERA+ in his 2-and-half-years in the bigs, and he's still only 23 years old. He tossed 200 innings last year at an ERA of 3.65. I know his W-L record was terrible last year, but that's only because the putrid Giants offense provided him with some of the worst run support in the league.

I don't know what his expectations were, but he's been a pretty good pitcher so far.

I only wish he were a D-Back... Confused


I concur.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nystro wrote:
Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career.


He's posted a 119 ERA+ in his 2-and-half-years in the bigs, and he's still only 23 years old. He tossed 200 innings last year at an ERA of 3.65. I know his W-L record was terrible last year, but that's only because the putrid Giants offense provided him with some of the worst run support in the league.

I don't know what his expectations were, but he's been a pretty good pitcher so far.

I only wish he were a D-Back... Confused


Oh don't me wrong, he's been good. Some would even say very good, considering the lack of offensive support. However, he's the kinda guy who has a ton of potential to end up as a top of the line starter one day, but just IMO hasn't shown the consistency outing to outing in both his mechanics and overall performance numbers.

But yes, considering his ceiling and contract, I wish he were a Dback too...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
In fact if my age-addled brain serves me correctly, AZSnakepit commented while still in Tucson that he wouldn't mind getting in on that action (that SF will avoid last place in the NL West).

Actually, I think the action I wanted in on, was that the Giants would have the worst record in the National League. I think they are probably (just) a better team than the Pirates, but play in a significantly tougher division. It could be very close...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career. .


you're not living up to your expectations here either
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career. .


you're not living up to your expectations here either


Oh Snap!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:
levski wrote:
Sheriff27 wrote:
Cain's never lived up to his expectations; at least not this far in his career. .


you're not living up to your expectations here either


Oh Snap!

Don Rickles at his finest. Laughing


Laughing Can't help but love the Rickles. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey it may be a longshot bet it'll make the season even more interesting for me.

I just believe that with the Giant's strong pitching and the way even promising teams can go south fast, there's a decent chance the Giant edge their way to 4th place in the NLW.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a relatively even bet. The Giants are the worst team is the division right now, but a lot can happen during the season. There are 4 teams that could tank and even if the Giants stink (which is likely), another team could stink worse.

It reminds me of the story about bear coming into camp. One guy started to put on his running shoes.

"What are doing" the other guy said, "you can't out run a bear".

"No, but I only have to outrun you."
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lowry just had surgery on his wrist today.

Now what Levski!!?! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheriff27 wrote:
Lowry just had surgery on his wrist today.

Now what Levski!!?! Laughing


He won't be Able to his Cain?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheriff27 wrote:
Lowry just had surgery on his wrist today.

Now what Levski!!?! Laughing



how long is he out?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sat next to this guy's girlfriend on the plane on Thursday.

Nice girl, and sounds like a good guy... Rooting for him to do well...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who hit Zito worse today - the Dodgers or the SF Press???

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Zito went after the hitters. He didn't mess around. He threw strikes.

And the Dodgers ate them up, every juicy morsel.

That shouldn't have been surprising, given Zito's horrendous spring training. In fact, every detail of the Giants' 5-0 loss seemed to fulfill the scorched-earth expectations of this club.


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"Right now, it's 84-85 at the high end, which obviously is frustrating for me," he said. "You've got a look at, usually when things like this happen, it's either an injury, which it is not, or it's something mechanical.


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