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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Top-10 Diamondbacks prospects Reply with quote

NICK has a write up on his blog you definitely want to go check out. I'm surprised Anderson is ranked ahead of Scherzer.

1. Carlos Gonzalez, OF

2. Jarrod Parker, RHP

3. Brett Anderson, LHP

4. Max Scherzer, RHP

5. Gerardo Parra, OF

6. Emilio Bonifacio, 2B

7. Aaron Cunningham, OF

8. Reynaldo Navarro, SS

9. Barry Enright, RHP

10. Wes Roemer, RHP
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vasquez?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smith?

Brown?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, follow the link and read Nick's entry. He gives an explanation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:
Yeah, follow the link and read Nick's entry. He gives an explanation.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would guess that Vazquez's injury is a huge factor in his ranking.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how they rank a guy who can do flip throws?????
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I start to worry about how barren our farm system seems I at least take comfort in knowing that we'll likely be able to refill our coffers as we trade off some of our future superstars when they turn expensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmar wrote:
As I start to worry about how barren our farm system seems I at least take comfort in knowing that we'll likely be able to refill our coffers as we trade off some of our future superstars when they turn expensive.

"They're very well-regarded," Josh Byrnes said today. "Generally people look at prospects and focus on a couple of guys at the top. I think it's maybe the first time there has been acknowledgement of the quantity of prospects, in sort of a deal-making spirit of just how many players we have who have a chance to be good major league players."
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Roemer, Enright...

I think BA went with the upside over the professional experience. Brooks Brown hasn't really convinced me he has the stuff to be more than a back of the rotation starter (even though I think he'd make a nice reliever, and same for Matt Green). Roemer/Enright have middle of the rotation potential.

Lack of significant upside is also holding Smith back. Vasquez might've ranked in the top 10, but he too may be a reliever long term.
Also surprised to see Scherzer behind Anderson, but probably BA doesn't think Scherzer has a future as a starter in AZ...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where would the new Chris Carter rank? Certainly above Navarro...I would guess after Parra...
It's going to be an interesting team in Visalia next season
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where would the new Chris Carter rank? Certainly above Navarro...I would guess after Parra...
It's going to be an interesting team in Visalia next season


I'd rank him about the same as Parra.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D-Backs sure are deep in pitching.

I doubt I will ever get to see Parker in person unless the D-Backs sign an extension with Mobile.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think they won't?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would think they would go ahead and sign a two year extension if they like Mobile. I imagine the Texas League is where they like to be but there really isn't that many options for them after the 2008 season:

Southern League (AA)
Birmingham Barons - Chicago (AL) (signed through 2010)
Carolina Mudcats - Florida (signed through 2008)
Chattanooga Lookouts - Cincinnati (signed through 2008)
Huntsville Stars - Milwaukee (signed through 2008)
Jacksonville Suns - Los Angeles (signed through 2008)
Mississippi Braves - Atlanta (owned by Atlanta)
Mobile BayBears - Arizona (signed through 2008)
Montgomery Biscuits - Tampa Bay (signed through 2008)
Tennessee Smokies - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2008)
West Tennessee Diamond Jaxx - Seattle (signed through 2008)

Texas League (AA)
Arkansas Travelers - Anaheim (signed through 2008)
Corpus Christi Hooks - Houston (signed through 2008)
Frisco RoughRiders - Texas (signed through 2010)
Midland RockHounds - Oakland (signed through 2012)
San Antonio Missions - San Diego (signed through 2008)
Northwest Arkansas Naturals - Kansas City (signed through 2008)
Springfield Cardinals - St. Louis (owned by St. Louis)
Tulsa Drillers - Colorado (signed through 2010)

I imagine the Diamondbacks, Giants, Mariners, and Dodgers are all going to be looking into what the other teams in the Texas League do....
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the Texas league teams are closer, but it's still most of the day shot traveling back and forth, and I don't think they want to go back into the Texas League. Makes players harder to evaluate, too much a hitters leagues, too many hitters parks.

Having a AA affiliate in El Paso caused a lot of hitters to get overrated

You look at the guys that came up through Lancaster, El Paso, and Tucson in succession. None have hit as well as expected in the majors.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why the D-backs will want to move back to the Texas League. As Shoe mentioned, I think playing in a more neutral league is more conducive to developing those prospect arms that the D-backs suddenly seem to have a lot of.
Besides, the Southern League is also a more challenging league with strong farm systems such as the Dodgers, Rays, Brewers and Braves.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265320.html

BA has the updated top 10 Dbacks prospects list up

1. Carlos Gonzalez, of
2. Jarrod Parker, rhp
3. Brett Anderson, lhp
4. Max Scherzer, rhp
5. Gerardo Parra, of
6. Emilio Bonifacio, 2b/ss
7. Aaron Cunningham, of
8. Chris Carter, 1b
9. Reynaldo Navarro, ss
10. Barry Enright, rhp


Carter bumps Roemer to 11th place. I think defense is the major reason Carter is ranked 8th; if he had a better glove, he'd rank 6th, imho
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PROJECTED 2011
LINEUP
Catcher Chris Snyder
First Base Conor Jackson
Second Base Orlando Hudson
Third Base Mark Reynolds
Shortstop Stephen Drew
Left Field Carlos Gonzalez
Center Field Chris Young
Right Field Justin Upton
No. 1 Starter Brandon Webb
No. 2 Starter Jarrod Parker
No. 3 Starter Micah Owings
No. 4 Starter Brett Anderson
No. 5 Starter Barry Enright
Closer Max Scherzer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: BA Assessment - A Self-licking Ice Cream Cone? Reply with quote

I was disappointed with the list and the Chat that they held today on the website re: Top Ten. Some of these prospects need to prove they can last at long season levels.

I do not begrudge discussing Carter as a prospect, I think placing him at 8 is a little too much. Place him in the top 20, let him prove his worth. At the position, Brito has proven himself at A+, AA; will be challenged at AAA this year. Byrne has proven himself at every A level and at 23, shows consistent improvement each season; and, is better regarded defensively. Hopefully both of these guys are in the upper half of the BA top 30. Carter#2 needs to demonstrate at Visalia (where they will pitch around his power), then show success at AA.

Parra is oversold on this list as well. He performed in SB, but fizzled in Visalia; I would have preferred to Greg Smith listed.

BA looks at draft position and basically regurgitates prognostications issued in months/years passed. This board's exchanges have more credibility in my mind. As I said in the title, a "self-licking ice cream cone.."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Ncaldback!

Thanks for your insights.

Can I ask if you are indeed from Northern CA? There's a few of us on this board. Looking forward (I think) to having the AAA club in Reno.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nor Cal born and bred!

AAA in Reno will be interesting; though I think it will be alot like Lancaster - big offensive location, tough on pitching. I'll be making some games though!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on the welcome Ncaldback.
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Parra is oversold on this list as well. He performed in SB, but fizzled in Visalia; I would have preferred to Greg Smith listed.


True, he didn't walk much at all, and didn't hit for power, but he wasn't completely overmatched, as evidenced by his .284 average.

He doesn't turn 21 untill May, so I think we can't really say his progress stalled based on 24 games after his promotion. I bet he has a pretty good 2008 and keeps moving forward.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct on Parra's age - maybe I am too tough. But I did have several chances to watch him play and his inexperience showed in Visalia. Once a team had seen him, they could take advantage of his inexperience. Even now in the Winter League he's under the Mendoza against LHP. That's why I think he's overstated at 6th.

Sometimes rankings are thrown out as inflated as a bad inner tube. Case in point - Hankerd. Good 2006, passable 2007 due to extensive time off (injured), has surgery in off-season; yet his worth stays up in BA's estimation. Personally, I say he lost part of a year, his worth drops until he proves his regained his form (probably during a repeat year in CA League). As a left fielder, he's got to rise fast; lots of OFers in Dback land - to include this new one from the Rule 5 draft. And you've got Greg Thomson- who plays GREAT CF, LF and RF. .286 season; good journeyman everyone overlooks; Cris Rahl (who had an off year as well).

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Ncaldback wrote:
You are correct on Parra's age - maybe I am too tough. But I did have several chances to watch him play and his inexperience showed in Visalia. Once a team had seen him, they could take advantage of his inexperience. Even now in the Winter League he's under the Mendoza against LHP. That's why I think he's overstated at 6th.

Sometimes rankings are thrown out as inflated as a bad inner tube. Case in point - Hankerd. Good 2006, passable 2007 due to extensive time off (injured), has surgery in off-season; yet his worth stays up in BA's estimation. Personally, I say he lost part of a year, his worth drops until he proves his regained his form (probably during a repeat year in CA League). As a left fielder, he's got to rise fast; lots of OFers in Dback land - to include this new one from the Rule 5 draft. And you've got Greg Thomson- who plays GREAT CF, LF and RF. .286 season; good journeyman everyone overlooks; Cris Rahl (who had an off year as well).

This post is way to long!


Good stuff... Welcome aboard.
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