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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rk Team W-L Harris Coaches CPU % BCS
Rk Points % Rk Points % Prev Avg
1 LSU 10-1 1 2804 .9926 1 1483 .9887 .9900 1 .990
2 Kansas 11-0 2 2700 .9558 2 1441 .9607 .9300 3 .949
3 West Virginia 9-1 3 2505 .8867 3 1345 .8967 .8800 6 .888
4 Missouri 10-1 3 2505 .8867 4 1328 .8853 .8400 5 .871
5 Ohio State 11-1 5 2401 .8499 5 1276 .8507 .8800 7 .860
6 Arizona State 9-1 6 2129 .7536 6 1158 .7720 .8800 8 .802
7 Georgia 9-2 7 2076 .7349 7 1105 .7367 .7600 9 .744
8 Virginia Tech 9-2 8 1863 .6595 8 1019 .6793 .7000 10 .680
9 Oregon 8-2 10 1799 .6368 10 890 .5933 .6500 2 .627
10 Oklahoma 9-2 9 1820 .6442 9 931 .6207 .4800 4 .582
11 USC 8-2 12 1626 .5756 12 879 .5860 .5400 11 .567
12 Florida 8-3 14 1438 .5090 14 736 .4907 .6300 12 .543
13 Texas 9-2 11 1674 .5926 11 883 .5887 .3600 13 .514
14 Boston College 9-2 16 1135 .4018 16 619 .4127 .6400 17 .485
15 Hawaii 10-0 13 1590 .5628 13 828 .5520 .1600 16 .425
16 Virginia 9-2 17 1092 .3865 15 626 .4173 .4700 14 .425
17 Illinois 9-3 18 873 .3090 18 485 .3233 .3300 19 .321
18 Tennessee 8-3 19 802 .2839 19 430 .2867 .3700 20 .314
19 Boise State 10-1 15 1187 .4202 17 593 .3953 .0300 18 .282
20 Connecticut 9-2 21 565 .2000 21 264 .1760 .3800 24 .252
21 Wisconsin 9-3 20 648 .2294 20 343 .2287 .1100 25 .189
22 Clemson 8-3 22 424 .1501 22 225 .1500 .2000 15 .167
23 South Florida 8-3 26 108 .0382 30 32 .0213 .3100 27 .123
24 Cincinnati 8-3 24 178 .0630 26 63 .0420 .1900 22 .098
25 Brigham Young 8-2 23 253 .0896 23 161 .1073 .0600 29 .086


New Polls...In my ridiculously biased opinion I think its bullshit. The Big East is total bullshit, and they have West Virginia THIRD????? Mizzou, Ohio State, and ASU should be in front of WVU.


ASU 0-1 vs the 25 bcs teams WVU 1-1 so how should ASU be ahead?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SC game will be telling. With Cal suddenly looking very mediocre, ASU really cannot claim any good wins at this point. That is probably why they get the worst ranking of any 1 loss team in the poll. At the point, ASU cannot worry about the NC, they are not going to be in that game. They just need to find a way to beat SC and UofA and go to the Rose Bowl (you know, that game that UofA has never played in...).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The SC game will be telling. With Cal suddenly looking very mediocre, ASU really cannot claim any good wins at this point. That is probably why they get the worst ranking of any 1 loss team in the poll. At the point, ASU cannot worry about the NC, they are not going to be in that game. They just need to find a way to beat SC and UofA and go to the Rose Bowl (you know, that game that UofA has never played in...).


head to head Arizona: 44 wins Arizona State: 35 wins Tie: 1
1 of those uofa wins is a win over a rose bowl winner asu
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<<<Calling a USC win. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my point was a criticism of the credit that the Big East gets. Not that ASU has better wins, i'm well aware that ASU hasn't beat anybody; but I'm willing to lay down a bet that the Pac 10 is superior to the Big East.

USC will be a telling game, its now the only "showme" win we can get.

Cal only got mediocre once they started playin in the conference. All of the big programs Cal, USC, Oregon, and ASU have all their losses within the conference...beating teams like Tennessee and Michigan out of conference. Its very top heavy, and i guess that hurts it.


losses to University of New Mexico certainly don't help...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"They haven't beat anyone yet" doesn't jive with ASU's 3rd place computer ranking. Shape the argument any way you like, but the Devils have in fact beat 9 teams this year, and the records of each of those 9 teams shows that ASU is the 3rd best team to this point in the season.

Considering where they sit right now, it would surely be disappointing to lose to the LifeStyles on Thursday, but it won't ruin what has been a surprisingly great season. I'd like to see SC miss the Rose Bowl regardless of who they would lose to this week. It'll be even sweeter if it's ASU that beats them. I'll be there full of turkey and beer.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"They haven't beat anyone yet" doesn't jive with ASU's 3rd place computer ranking. Shape the argument any way you like, but the Devils have in fact beat 9 teams this year, and the records of each of those 9 teams shows that ASU is the 3rd best team to this point in the season.

Considering where they sit right now, it would surely be disappointing to lose to the LifeStyles on Thursday, but it won't ruin what has been a surprisingly great season. I'd like to see SC miss the Rose Bowl regardless of who they would lose to this week. It'll be even sweeter if it's ASU that beats them. I'll be there full of turkey and beer.


avg computer ranking for asu is 3rd but wvu and osu is also third

so asu isnt the only 9 win team there wva also has 9 wins and osu has 11
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oden wrote:
Considering where they sit right now, it would surely be disappointing to lose to the LifeStyles on Thursday, but it won't ruin what has been a surprisingly great season. I'd like to see SC miss the Rose Bowl regardless of who they would lose to this week. It'll be even sweeter if it's ASU that beats them. I'll be there full of turkey and beer.

Speaking of USC, did you see their series of "men are pigs" commercials? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hank wrote:
The SC game will be telling. With Cal suddenly looking very mediocre, ASU really cannot claim any good wins at this point. That is probably why they get the worst ranking of any 1 loss team in the poll. At the point, ASU cannot worry about the NC, they are not going to be in that game. They just need to find a way to beat SC and UofA and go to the Rose Bowl (you know, that game that UofA has never played in...).


head to head Arizona: 44 wins Arizona State: 35 wins Tie: 1
1 of those uofa wins is a win over a rose bowl winner asu


In the painful memories department, ASU's losses to UofA in 1982 and 1985 prevented ASU from going to the Rose Bowl. I was at the 1985 game, and ASU totally dominated the game and still managed to find a way to lose. The UofA streak in the 80's ran through my college years and most of my law school years. It sucked worse than almost anything I can remember.

Other than the 80's, however, I think the series has been heavily tilted to ASU since at least the late 50's. In recent years, ASU has started to gain the upper hand again, but I still expect a tough game this year. UofA will have nothing to lose at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hank wrote:
The SC game will be telling. With Cal suddenly looking very mediocre, ASU really cannot claim any good wins at this point. That is probably why they get the worst ranking of any 1 loss team in the poll. At the point, ASU cannot worry about the NC, they are not going to be in that game. They just need to find a way to beat SC and UofA and go to the Rose Bowl (you know, that game that UofA has never played in...).


head to head Arizona: 44 wins Arizona State: 35 wins Tie: 1
1 of those uofa wins is a win over a rose bowl winner asu


It is worth noting, of course, that beating a Rose Bowl team is not actually quite the same as, you know, being in the Rose Bowl. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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misterx wrote:
Hank wrote:
The SC game will be telling. With Cal suddenly looking very mediocre, ASU really cannot claim any good wins at this point. That is probably why they get the worst ranking of any 1 loss team in the poll. At the point, ASU cannot worry about the NC, they are not going to be in that game. They just need to find a way to beat SC and UofA and go to the Rose Bowl (you know, that game that UofA has never played in...).


head to head Arizona: 44 wins Arizona State: 35 wins Tie: 1
1 of those uofa wins is a win over a rose bowl winner asu


In the painful memories department, ASU's losses to UofA in 1982 and 1985 prevented ASU from going to the Rose Bowl. I was at the 1985 game, and ASU totally dominated the game and still managed to find a way to lose. The UofA streak in the 80's ran through my college years and most of my law school years. It sucked worse than almost anything I can remember.

Other than the 80's, however, I think the series has been heavily tilted to ASU since at least the late 50's. In recent years, ASU has started to gain the upper hand again, but I still expect a tough game this year. UofA will have nothing to lose at all.


bottom line we lead the series Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dylan wrote:
How bout you update that case to be a MOO emblem instead of a Giants one?


It'd be easy as you wouldn't have to change the amount of trophies in there.

Muck Fizzou!!



Wrong.

1954 Baseball Championship, and an 'Indoor Track and Field championship. <disclaimer: NCAA.org shows this championship when you click on "How many championships has your school won?", but then in the record book, it's not listed.>

Also, although not the consensus 'national champion', the Poling Football Review listed Missouri as it's top ranked team in the country for 1960. Granted, there were about 15 'ranking systems' in use at the time, consensus Nat'l Champs for 1960 were Ole Miss and Minnesota.

Granted, I could print up a thousand copies of my football rankings and award my 'National Championship' to NAU, and it would carry about as much weight. ZERO.

And in the order of fairness, Kansas is listed as having 9 National Championships: 3 in men's basketball, 3 in men's track and field, 3 in women's track and field. <disclaimer: same thing for these track championships, they aren't listed in the record books>

But the Mizzou Trophy case is not empty.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

27-17 at half


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

43-17

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well now THAT was an ass-kicking! Just got home. USC's skill players are always so incredibly fast. ASU did a poor job of adjusting to those quick/short passes and the defensive backfield had a really bad game. But it didn't matter. SC kicked ASU's collective ass. At least the beer was flowing like wine and we still managed to have a good time.
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I turned the game off at half time, because I knew ASU wouldn't come back on USC. The offensive line of ASU is REALLY offensive to the eyes. They stink, plain and simple. I never thought I would feel sorry for Rudy Carpenter, but he's getting killed out on the field. ASU should never have been ranked in the top ten and I'm not sure they're a top fifteen team. As far as the UofA game. Sadly, I think the Sun Devils will get beat.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I turned the game off at half time, because I knew ASU wouldn't come back on USC. The offensive line of ASU is REALLY offensive to the eyes. They stink, plain and simple. I never thought I would feel sorry for Rudy Carpenter, but he's getting killed out on the field. ASU should never have been ranked in the top ten and I'm not sure they're a top fifteen team. As far as the UofA game. Sadly, I think the Sun Devils will get beat.



lol, give them a break brother. ASU has lost two games, only one was ugly. Part of the reason that Carpenter is the recipient so many sacks is because he hesitates with the ball and holds on to it too long, part of it is that Keegan Herring and Dmitri Nance are not good blockers. Part of it is that other than the left tackle, I want to say Brandon Rodd but the name slips my mind and i'm too lazy to look it up, the O-Line really doesn't blow people away. But you can't put all the blame on the O-line.

The Devils are the third best team in the Pac-10; that makes them top 15 in the country, at least, in my book.

As far as the Territorial Cup goes, doesn't matter who the better team is, its always a toss up. Obviously I want ASU to win. Obviously i think they are the better team. I don't think that it's a lock, however, for either team.

should be fun though.
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I agree with you about Herring and Nance. I was going to mention that in my post, but I got a little lazy. When I look at the top fifteen teams, and I've seen almost all of them play, I doubt ASU could beat any of them. The word is out on how to beat ASU. All out PRESSURE. I hope ASU can beat UofA, but you know Stoops has gotten the word.
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USC threw it down, great game to watch for me, that is. Now I hope UofA can shatter their Pac 10 title hopes, and any BCS bowl
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UofA's season comes down to trying to spoil ASUs season - again.

Wouldnt it be nice to have to have a UofAs game actually mean something to THEIR season??? Is getting to 500 a good goal for that program?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qudjy1,

If the UA wins, we will most likely go to a bowl game. It's not going to be a big-time bowl, but a football postseason nonetheless. The fact that we can shatter a few ASU dreams along the way is simply gravy.
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you'll be bowl eligible. Lots of 6-6 teams arent' invited to bowls, especially if they are fringe programs. However, hopefully ASU makes this discussion moot on the first. Twisted Evil
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qudjy1,

If the UA wins, we will most likely go to a bowl game. It's not going to be a big-time bowl, but a football postseason nonetheless. The fact that we can shatter a few ASU dreams along the way is simply gravy.


Really? What bowl game is that? Point stands, IF UofA wins, they will be a .500 team. If that qualifies for post season, fine, but i wouldnt be happy with that if i was a UA fan.
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whatuwant wrote:
you'll be bowl eligible. Lots of 6-6 teams arent' invited to bowls, especially if they are fringe programs. However, hopefully ASU makes this discussion moot on the first. Twisted Evil


the top 5 pac 10 teams are guaranteed bowls if all are bowl eligible and a win over asu would put uofa 5-4 in the pac which probably will be good enough for 5th place

qudjy1 wrote:


Really? What bowl game is that? Point stands, IF UofA wins, they will be a .500 team. If that qualifies for post season, fine, but i wouldnt be happy with that if i was a UA fan.


uofa hasnt been in a bowl since 1998 so any bowl is good for us
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I understand that we aren't guaranteed a bowl game, but mark it down that the U of A will go to one with a win on Saturday. Last year, the UA was eligible, but did not make it to a bowl. This year the whirlwind of the PAC10 standings will put us in a position to go with the minimum number of wins to qualify. It's not very gratifying, but if you talk to anyone who was with me during the '01-'05 years of no greater than three wins and a having Macovic as a head coach, we're all a lot more pleased than we were in the past.

We've been on the cusp of doing better as a program for the past three years, but have fallen short. No more excuses for it, Stoops needs to win another big game and lead the team to a bowl. If he can manage that, there will be a much brighter future for the program. Without the next win in Tempe, there's only next year to produce, and I think it will be Stoops' final if he can't create a team capable of playing in a bowl game (small or large) year in and year out by then.

And just out of curiosity, is there anyone with a spare ticket to the game? I swear I'd only be mildly obnoxious. Wink
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