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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is garlands # inflated due to him pitching in LA and SD parks?

honest question, i have no idea
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, the pitchers parks definitely help him. Thats why his ERA+ is under 120 in SD. The same ERA in Arizona would be good for over 140 ERA+

And, as I've pointed out, he's given up a lot of unearned runs too. His FIP and xFIP since leaving are around 4.00

He still is what he's always been.....more or less a lg avg innings eater. Thats worth more than 6 or 7 milllion for most teams.
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Sure, the pitchers parks definitely help him. Thats why his ERA+ is under 120 in SD. The same ERA in Arizona would be good for over 140 ERA+

And, as I've pointed out, he's given up a lot of unearned runs too. His FIP and xFIP since leaving are around 4.00

He still is what he's always been.....more or less a lg avg innings eater. Thats worth more than 6 or 7 milllion for most teams.

ok

would have that production be worth 6-7 million for AZ? or is/was that to costly for him?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing
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As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.
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As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?
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FatLeprechaun wrote:
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As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


According to BR, Scribner is currently at AA San Antonio in the Padres system (and having a very good year, after a good year last season).

White Chris Carter has played in 29 games for the Mets, including yesterday.

Black Chris Carter plays for Sacramento, which is why FL made the distinction.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbacks_Nation wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


That's the black Chris Carter, whom was part of the Haren trade (we gave up Quentin for Carter, then sent Carter to the A's). Black Carter is still stuck in AAA, but young enough that he might be a useful MLB player soon. The white Chris Carter is a journeyman.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartech01.shtml

Scribner is still in the minors, he has good results but is old for his levels, he's a 24 year old still in AA.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=scribn001eva

Lots of trades don't "work out". Each trade doesn't have to work out, they just have to work out in aggregate for the team to get better. You pick up enough guys like Dan Haren, Chris Young, Alberto Callespo, Brandon Allen, Tony Abreau, Doug Davis, Orlando Hudson, Aaron Heilman, Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Cole Gillespie, and Sam Demel and it makes up for more than a few bad trades.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.


He's pitching well in AA, but he's almost 25 years old, the league average age is 24.3. Typically the better prospects are younger than their competition, sometimes much so. His 2.00 ERA isn't quite as awesome as it looks given that he's pitching in a low scoring league in a low scoring park (team ERA is 2.9Cool. And he's slowly moved up, he was in A ball 3 years ago, and still can't get promoted out of AA. He looks more like a kid who might turn out to be a decent reliever, but if he was a future closer why hasn't he been brought along faster?

The year before the trade Tony Clark hit 17 HR in 221 ABs for the Diamondbacks. We were up 1 game in July with the Dodgers coming into town, and desperate for offense. I wasn't a big fan of the trade either, any trade that has the potential for improving your team this year means giving the other team something more value in future years, or no trade would ever get done.
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dbacks_Nation wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


i think carter is a met, big league team?
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
dbacks_Nation wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


i think carter is a met, big league team?


You skipped over my post, didn't you. Crying or Very sad Laughing
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
dbacks_Nation wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


i think carter is a met, big league team?


You skipped over my post, didn't you. Crying or Very sad Laughing


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I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.


He's pitching well in AA, but he's almost 25 years old, the league average age is 24.3. Typically the better prospects are younger than their competition, sometimes much so. His 2.00 ERA isn't quite as awesome as it looks given that he's pitching in a low scoring league in a low scoring park (team ERA is 2.9Cool. And he's slowly moved up, he was in A ball 3 years ago, and still can't get promoted out of AA. He looks more like a kid who might turn out to be a decent reliever, but if he was a future closer why hasn't he been brought along faster?

The year before the trade Tony Clark hit 17 HR in 221 ABs for the Diamondbacks. We were up 1 game in July with the Dodgers coming into town, and desperate for offense. I wasn't a big fan of the trade either, any trade that has the potential for improving your team this year means giving the other team something more value in future years, or no trade would ever get done.


Well, this was heard at the beginning of the 2009 season, so I should've said that.
And who says I can't look back at this trade with the benefit of hindsight and say it was stupid? Razz
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ValueArb wrote:
Jdub wrote:
I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.


He's pitching well in AA, but he's almost 25 years old, the league average age is 24.3. Typically the better prospects are younger than their competition, sometimes much so. His 2.00 ERA isn't quite as awesome as it looks given that he's pitching in a low scoring league in a low scoring park (team ERA is 2.9Cool. And he's slowly moved up, he was in A ball 3 years ago, and still can't get promoted out of AA. He looks more like a kid who might turn out to be a decent reliever, but if he was a future closer why hasn't he been brought along faster?

The year before the trade Tony Clark hit 17 HR in 221 ABs for the Diamondbacks. We were up 1 game in July with the Dodgers coming into town, and desperate for offense. I wasn't a big fan of the trade either, any trade that has the potential for improving your team this year means giving the other team something more value in future years, or no trade would ever get done.


Well, this was heard at the beginning of the 2009 season, so I should've said that.
And who says I can't look back at this trade with the benefit of hindsight and say it was stupid? Razz


You can express any opinion you choose. But no trade is done with the benefit of hindsight, if the DBacks make the playoffs with Tony's help it's an awesome trade. Even now, the trade hasn't "cost" us anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ValueArb wrote:
Jdub wrote:
ValueArb wrote:
Jdub wrote:
I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.


He's pitching well in AA, but he's almost 25 years old, the league average age is 24.3. Typically the better prospects are younger than their competition, sometimes much so. His 2.00 ERA isn't quite as awesome as it looks given that he's pitching in a low scoring league in a low scoring park (team ERA is 2.9Cool. And he's slowly moved up, he was in A ball 3 years ago, and still can't get promoted out of AA. He looks more like a kid who might turn out to be a decent reliever, but if he was a future closer why hasn't he been brought along faster?

The year before the trade Tony Clark hit 17 HR in 221 ABs for the Diamondbacks. We were up 1 game in July with the Dodgers coming into town, and desperate for offense. I wasn't a big fan of the trade either, any trade that has the potential for improving your team this year means giving the other team something more value in future years, or no trade would ever get done.


Well, this was heard at the beginning of the 2009 season, so I should've said that.
And who says I can't look back at this trade with the benefit of hindsight and say it was stupid? Razz


You can express any opinion you choose. But no trade is done with the benefit of hindsight, if the DBacks make the playoffs with Tony's help it's an awesome trade. Even now, the trade hasn't "cost" us anything.


You're not a very joking person, are you?
I even gave you a little emoticon to tell you I was joking... oh well. Rolling Eyes
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Jdub wrote:
ValueArb wrote:
Jdub wrote:
ValueArb wrote:
Jdub wrote:
I heard that Scribner might become their future closer, but that's probably changed, now that the Pad's relievers in the bigs are going nuts.

It's a shame we gave up a potentially good reliever for a half season of the sucky version of Tony Clark. An absolute shame.


He's pitching well in AA, but he's almost 25 years old, the league average age is 24.3. Typically the better prospects are younger than their competition, sometimes much so. His 2.00 ERA isn't quite as awesome as it looks given that he's pitching in a low scoring league in a low scoring park (team ERA is 2.9Cool. And he's slowly moved up, he was in A ball 3 years ago, and still can't get promoted out of AA. He looks more like a kid who might turn out to be a decent reliever, but if he was a future closer why hasn't he been brought along faster?

The year before the trade Tony Clark hit 17 HR in 221 ABs for the Diamondbacks. We were up 1 game in July with the Dodgers coming into town, and desperate for offense. I wasn't a big fan of the trade either, any trade that has the potential for improving your team this year means giving the other team something more value in future years, or no trade would ever get done.


Well, this was heard at the beginning of the 2009 season, so I should've said that.
And who says I can't look back at this trade with the benefit of hindsight and say it was stupid? Razz


You can express any opinion you choose. But no trade is done with the benefit of hindsight, if the DBacks make the playoffs with Tony's help it's an awesome trade. Even now, the trade hasn't "cost" us anything.


You're not a very joking person, are you?
I even gave you a little emoticon to tell you I was joking... oh well. Rolling Eyes


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It was a good trade to make, well worth the chance of potentially acquiring a cost-controlled productive MI considering our lack of internal prospects and we hadn't signed KJohnson yet. While I thought Garland was superior to Davis, neither seemed to be worth the $$ at the time. Garland never seemed happy to be here, and Davis seemed to have lost his stuff and was an implosion waiting to happen.
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
dbacks_Nation wrote:
qudjy1 wrote:
FatLeprechaun wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
As long as I'm using perfect hindsight....can I pick up garlands option instead of Webb's ? Laughing


It seems that a lot of Byrnes's little trades don't work out so well. To give a couple random examples, I can think of the trade of the white Chris Carter for Emiliano Fruto and the trade of Scribner (sp?) for Tony Clark. None of these trades are that bad on their own but the overall effect could be quite bad.


Where are carter and Scribner?

I know Chris Carter is on the Triple-A Sacramento Rivercats.


i think carter is a met, big league team?


I think I remember hearing he went to Japan to play??? Confused
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Look at my post people... Confused
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Justin wrote:
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But this post implies that people actually read your posts... Wink
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Give it up FL, bringing up Carter and Scribner is just grasping at straws
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