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Jeff Kent facing Career ending injury. Hall of Famer ?

 
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Would you vote for Jeff Kent for HOF ?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Jeff Kent facing Career ending injury. Hall of Famer ? Reply with quote

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PHOENIX - Dodgers second baseman Jeff Kent, a five-time All-Star, former National League Most Valuable Player and almost-certain future Hall of Famer, might have played his last game in the major leagues.

Kent was sent back to Los Angeles for an MRI exam after leaving Friday night's game at Arizona with pain in his left knee. Although that exam hadn't taken place as of game time Saturday night, club officials had a strong suspicion as to what it likely would show.

Kent, 40, has been playing through pain from slightly torn cartilage in his knee for about a month, fully aware that the continued grind of playing baseball on an everyday basis meant there was a strong risk of additional, more painful tearing.



That additional tearing is believed to be what took place during Friday's game. Kent was said to be in "excruciating pain" after leaving the game, and club officials were holding out slim hope of getting him back in what is widely expected to be his final season.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bummer for kent
even though i don't really care for his personality he was one hell of a player
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I argued here (or rather, on the old azcentral board) that Kent would be a hall of famer. IIRC, that was when the Bums (and DePo) signed Kent as a free agent. Dylan didn't think that was possible... he said Kent's career was too short and he couldn't have the counting numbers to make it in...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent HOF? who cares. O-Dog in a Dodger uni now that I care about Wink Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe he will make the Hall, especially considering the position he plays.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewberry wrote:
bummer for kent
even though i don't really care for his personality he was one hell of a player


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent is a HOFer IMO - but HOF standards arent somethign i really get into detail with.

I do agree that Hudson ends up with LA next year.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are Kentís most similar batters from B-Ref:

Yogi Berra
Carlton Fisk
Ivan Rodriguez
Johnny Bench

Geez, did Kent play C and we never knew it? He compís well to Edgar Martinez as well, although Kentís ďHOFĒ stats are probably better. He won an MVP award. In the last 50 years, who were qualified 2B than Kent? Carew (who later played 1B), Morgan, Sandberg, AlomarÖ is that it? He didnít win GGís, but I donít think he needs any to get in.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are how similarity scores are calculated:

Batters
One point for each difference of 20 games played.
One point for each difference of 75 at bats.
One point for each difference of 10 runs scored.
One point for each difference of 15 hits.
One point for each difference of 5 doubles.
One point for each difference of 4 triples.
One point for each difference of 2 home runs.
One point for each difference of 10 RBI.
One point for each difference of 25 walks.
One point for each difference of 150 strikeouts.
One point for each difference of 20 stolen bases.
One point for each difference of .001 in batting average.
One point for each difference of .002 in slugging percentage.
To this there is a positional adjustment. Each position has a value, and you subtract the difference between the two players position. James just uses primary position, but I computed an average position for players who had more than one primary position. (See Ernie Banks)

240 - Catcher
168 - Shortstop
132 - Second Base
84 - Third Base
48 - Outfield (James distinguishes, but I don't have that data incorporated at the moment)
12 - First Base
0 - DH

Kent's closest (Berra) is under 900. It shows how different Kent is from most 2b's. Also since the scores are largely counting stats, you don't get good comps for rate values and they are not era adjusted. Still this is what the BBWAA boys look at.

His power makes him different and valuable. How or if you downgrade Kent for fielding will make a big difference in how you value him. I never thought he was that bad. He was not quick like most 2b, but he turned the dp play, generally made the plays, had a good arm and moved well on pops.

Other 2b for consideration would be Biggio, Whitaker and Grich who deserve consideration along with Kent. My guess is that the stat cognoscenti would rate them all higher.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent will definitely go the Hall IMO. He may be an a-hole and has trouble washing trucks Wink but I think he goes. Question is what hat does he wear?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bogey wrote:
Kent will definitely go the Hall IMO. He may be an a-hole and has trouble washing trucks Wink but I think he goes. Question is what hat does he wear?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bogey wrote:
Kent will definitely go the Hall IMO. He may be an a-hole and has trouble washing trucks Wink but I think he goes. Question is what hat does he wear?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to imagine anyone thinking Kent is not a hall of famer. If he doesn't go in they might as well declare the place full and close it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely they're not panicking, are they?

Steve Springer / Los Angeles Times tonight wrote:
Dodgers activate Jeff Kent, but only as pinch-hitter

Two and a half weeks after undergoing arthroscopic surgery for torn cartilage in his left knee, second baseman Jeff Kent has been activated by the Dodgers.

He will be on the bench solely to pinch-hit over the final week of the regular season, Manager Joe Torre said. Kent won't play in the field and, if he gets on base, the manager will use a pinch-runner.

If Kent, who went on the disabled list Aug. 30, was going to try playing second, he might have first been sent down to the instructional league for a few days to test the knee.

"With the way we are situated now," Torre said, "I'm perfectly happy with Blake DeWitt [at second] and Casey Blake [at third]. This is very unique. Someone 40 years old has surgery and, after two and half weeks, you put him back on the active list. That's unheard of."
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