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Reaves on Retiring Gonzo's number

 
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shoewizard
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reaves on Retiring Gonzo's number Reply with quote

Joseph Reaves weighs in

Wow....kind of a strange article. Makes alot of good points about why they should wait, while at the same time professing love and respect for Gonzo. But then he ended the article with this:

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Much still can happen. A worst-case scenario - and one I hasten to admit I pray never comes about, and don't believe it will - would be learning somewhere down the line that all those rumors Kendrick alluded to earlier this season were real. What do the Diamondbacks do then? Take down Gonzo's jersey?


Surprising end to the article. I don't know why he chose to take that route.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Reaves woke up with a deadline to submit an article and emptiness in his head that was creating a black hole north of Scottsdale. So he went for the tried and true "1 sentence per paragraph" approach and strung together just enough verbiage to hit the 250 limit and get his paycheck...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reaves woke up with a deadline to submit an article and emptiness in his head that was creating a black hole north of Scottsdale. So he went for the tried and true "1 sentence per paragraph" approach and strung together just enough verbiage to hit the 250 limit and get his paycheck...

Why should this column be different from all others?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baines was 30 when they retired his number. Gonzo is 39. It's not like he's going to play another 10 years. Three max. Baines also hit 25 HRs and 103 RBIa when he was 40. Reeves is pretty low to call the other 5 players with their jersey retired as "real legends."

I honestly think they should have a grand send off, but no number retirement yet. It wouldn't be fair to Gonzo.

And what if he OJs his wife between now and then?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, jersey retirement is for another time. Kind of like waiting the minimum 5 yrs before you can be elected to the HOF. Why don't they just put Griffey Jr. in there now? Either way, it raises a good question as to what the criteria should be.

What do you guys think? I would argue that playing at least half a career here should be mandatory. Or at least 8 seasons, etc., and performance, community attachment, maybe waiting 5 yrs after retirement like the HOF does.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJ and Gonzo should be automatic the season after they retire.

Maybe in another 10 or 15 years we'll have a couple more from our current crop of youngsters earn that privilege.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am i the only one here that thinks this whole "number retiring" thing is absolute NONSENSE Question Im not a sentimental person and dont care all that much for what a player did 5/10/15 years ago.

Retiring a number for a player who played here for only 7 seasons just aint worth it, if we do that and keep up the trend...In 20 seasons time we'd end up running out of numbers Exclamation

If its soo important to people, just erect a plaque to these guys, and hang them high up covering some of the mass of advertising that Chase field carries Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart wrote:
Am i the only one here that thinks this whole "number retiring" thing is absolute NONSENSE Question Im not a sentimental person and dont care all that much for what a player did 5/10/15 years ago.

It's a baseball tradition, and of all sports, baseball is most heavily wrapped in both statistics and in history. I think the retirement of teams' most important players adds to the lore.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
Stuart wrote:
Am i the only one here that thinks this whole "number retiring" thing is absolute NONSENSE Question Im not a sentimental person and dont care all that much for what a player did 5/10/15 years ago.

It's a baseball tradition, and of all sports, baseball is most heavily wrapped in both statistics and in history. I think the retirement of teams' most important players adds to the lore.


OK so I AM the only one then Laughing but it just makes no sense to me, doesnt do anything and doesnt achieve anything, whether the number 51 is retired or not nobody is EVER going to forget RJ51 and what RJ51 did for this team in its early days!

I think it'd be kind o' cool if in 10 years time we were all creaming over how great MO51 Is (MO being Micah Owings, since hes the dbacks pitching prospect i hear most about).

I guess im just a guy who lacks ANY sentimentality at all Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart wrote:

I guess im just a guy who lacks ANY sentimentality at all Cool


Is there any similar type of honor ever bestowed on a legendary soccer (football) player?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moviegeekjn wrote:
Stuart wrote:

I guess im just a guy who lacks ANY sentimentality at all Cool


Is there any similar type of honor ever bestowed on a legendary soccer (football) player?


Nah because shirt numbers in soccer are usually position orientated - example goalkeepers will always wear 1, 13 and 22...The best forwards will always wear 9 and 10 etc etc

Alot of players have plaques at "their" club, and outside my local ground there is a big 20ft statue of there best ever player..thats how football (soccer) players get remembered.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When numbers first came into baseball, the players were numbered by where they hit in the order. Thus Ruth became number 3 and Gerhig 4.

Stuart is right about the numbers being poistion generated. Soccer players change numbers much more frequently than baseball players.

Also, it is almost as if some great players graduate to certain numbers. 10 was Pele's number. To wear it is almost to be annoited. Maradonna, Best, Beckham, Cruff (can't spell his name there is a "y" in there somewhere--the guy from the Dutch Clockwork Orange teams), just to start, have worn it

I could be wrong about these numbers so you soccer guys correct me, but I think Platini originally wore 15 (?) for France and then got number 10. Zindane wore number 5 (Beckenbauer's number--very desirable for a defender) in Spain I think and then got 10 for France. Beckenbauer wore 6 for the Cosmos I think.

Both Platini and Zindine are more midfielders than strikers (although with total football positions are not as relevant as they used to be) so it was not only their position that got them number 10.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind a bronze sculpture in front of Chase Field of Gonzo jumping up in celebration of winning the World Series.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoshByrnesWhenIPee wrote:
I wouldn't mind a bronze sculpture in front of Chase Field of Gonzo jumping up in celebration of winning the World Series.


Having a statue of Gonzo jumping UP would be a real engineering marvel Wink
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